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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 19, 2017 21:34:46 GMT
Tyldesley might be the single strangest, parochial place I've been to in Greater Manchester. Leigh though is extremely friendly.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 20, 2017 0:48:59 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 20, 2017 12:57:44 GMT
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Post by right on Jan 20, 2017 13:31:01 GMT
Why do they have MPs looking after by-elections? It's a genuine question. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 20, 2017 13:49:07 GMT
Indeed, I would have imagined the Tories at least did similarly?
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Post by neilm on Jan 20, 2017 13:49:28 GMT
Blimey, less than seven years makes you a veteran MP.
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Post by La Fontaine on Jan 20, 2017 13:57:07 GMT
Why do they have MPs looking after by-elections? It's a genuine question. Reminds me of the Darlington by-election in 1983. Initially, the Labour campaign was being run by the regional organiser, Bert Twigg. However, after a while, Jack Cunningham was drafted in and esconced on an upper floor of the Darlington HQ. He remained largely invisible, but had complete control. Bert Twigg was relegated to fetching and carrying. We surmised that Jack had been installed at Michael Foot's insistence. The campaign improved and was successful. I don't know whether this was the start of a standard procedure. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 20, 2017 14:00:42 GMT
That leaves open the possibility that it was at least partly in reaction to the Bermondsey disaster a few months earlier?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 20, 2017 14:27:59 GMT
I think it's been usual for larger parties to have an MP in charge of byelection campaigns, who also acts as the candidate's 'minder'. Don't know when it started.
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Post by La Fontaine on Jan 20, 2017 15:41:00 GMT
That leaves open the possibility that it was at least partly in reaction to the Bermondsey disaster a few months earlier? Yes, very likely. |
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Post by La Fontaine on Jan 20, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
I think it's been usual for larger parties to have an MP in charge of byelection campaigns, who also acts as the candidate's 'minder'. Don't know when it started. Certainly not at Darlington, where I was the minder. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 20, 2017 17:44:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 18:07:23 GMT
Blimey, less than seven years makes you a veteran MP. Yes, but Jack Dromey has been a Labour insider for much longer than that. You know who his wife is, don't you? not until I googled him 10 seconds ago, that's interesting. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 20, 2017 18:16:16 GMT
Not exactly a local man I note. As will others.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 20, 2017 18:18:26 GMT
Yes, but Jack Dromey has been a Labour insider for much longer than that. You know who his wife is, don't you? not until I googled him 10 seconds ago, that's interesting. Blimmin heck, dismissively referring to him as "Mr Harriet Harman" was almost de rigueur for a while with a certain type of online right winger. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 20, 2017 18:25:57 GMT
not until I googled him 10 seconds ago, that's interesting. Blimmin heck, dismissively referring to him as "Mr Harriet Harman" was almost de rigueur for a while with a certain type of online right winger. Yeah silly really. He's always been every bit as much of a cunt in his own right as she is |
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Post by neilm on Jan 20, 2017 18:51:22 GMT
Blimey, less than seven years makes you a veteran MP. Yes, but Jack Dromey has been a Labour insider for much longer than that. You know who his wife is, don't you? She's a veteran MP. He's not. It's like the journalists who refer to Thangam Debonnaire as a 'senior backbencher' or whenever we see any two-bit no mark referred to as a 'senior councillor' or whatever. Jack Dromey may have been a union official since the dawn of time, but is he a 'veteran MP?' No, he's not. We don't see Tory Grandee anymore though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 18:54:43 GMT
Yes, but Jack Dromey has been a Labour insider for much longer than that. You know who his wife is, don't you? She's a veteran MP. He's not. It's like the journalists who refer to Thangam Debonnaire as a 'senior backbencher' or whenever we see any two-bit no mark referred to as a 'senior councillor' or whatever. Jack Dromey may have been a union official since the dawn of time, but is he a 'veteran MP?' No, he's not. We don't see Tory Grandee anymore though. That refers to Ken Clarke exclusively now. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 20, 2017 19:13:12 GMT
I note it appears to be The Guardian describing him as "veteran Labour MP" as it doesn't appear in parentheses as a quote from Corbyn. On a perhaps more relevant point, Dromey has run a number of by-elections as minder, but was also responsible for the TGWU in North Staffordshire during his time as Deputy General Secretary to Bill Morris. (Also the irony of sending a Unite MP to a campaign being run out of the GMB Offices is somewhat fun).
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 20, 2017 19:48:36 GMT
The union movement is so diminished these days that there is no longer the hostility between the T & G (Unite) and the GMB that there used to be. Nowadays they work together to try and defend what's left of the private sector unions.
As even free market right wing commentators have pointed out, the collapse of unions is one of the main reasons why wages have stagnated for ordinary workers.
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