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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 2, 2016 19:51:07 GMT
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Post by mondialito on Dec 2, 2016 20:30:31 GMT
It is ironic that he should lose in year when other countries have elected crazy authoritarian populists to power.
But then again, if he refuses to formally concede, it would very much be with the times.
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Post by crabcake on Dec 2, 2016 20:39:56 GMT
Jammeh will step down. I think even a fruitcake like him, upon seeing those results, knew he might be Gaddafi'd if he tried to prolong it. Much safer to scraper to Zimbabwe or someplace with all the valuables not bolted to the floor.
Adama will rejoin the ICC, the Commonwealth and end the new Islamic Republic declaration. One issue is that he is backed by a small army of opposition figures who might be more fractitious without the spectre of Jammeh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:49:01 GMT
One issue is that he is backed by a small army of opposition figures who might be more fractitious without the spectre of Jammeh. The seven partes and one independent candidate involved in the pro-democracy coalition have signed a memorandum, which Barrow has promised to abide by, it instructs him to serve a reduced three year transitional term while implementing a number of reforms. So far he has said that "we will follow that document step by step". But you never know, he may soon start to enjoy being in power and change his mind. Lets hope not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:50:31 GMT
The electoral commission has announced the official results as:
Adama Barrow 263,515
Yahya Jammeh 212,099
Mama Kandeh 102,969
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:53:04 GMT
Barrow is a Mandinka from a village near Basse in Upper River and his UDC has often been labelled the Mandinka party. So here is the "Mandinka map". If the election wasn't rigged too much he should do well in the green areas. Especially in the eastern Mandinka areas ("upriver"). Yammeh is from the non-Mandinka areas in Western (the pale stretch along the SW border). Mama Kandeh is a Fula and also from the Jimara area in Upper River.   Ethnic distribution: 42% Mandinka 18% Fula 16% Wolof/Serer 10% Jola 9% Serahuli 4% Other tribes 1% Europeans and Lebanese Having both a Mandinka and a Fula against him definitely made it harder for Jammeh. |
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Post by crabcake on Dec 2, 2016 22:27:50 GMT
Given that the Gambia is one of those countries that disproportionately bleed refugees northwards, this could help the crisis as well. Hopefully the EU takes the chance to funnel investment and employment to make sure the new administration is economically fruitful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 22:36:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 22:58:11 GMT
Some things Jammeh said back in June when he rallied against Mandinkas (42% of the population) and also slammed the Fulas (18%). The two ethnic groups his challengers came from. - “The Gambia is not a Mandinka country. Mandinkas are Malians, who are not only my sworn enemies, but also an enemy of The Gambia and her people". - “in 1864, there were no Mandinkas in this country. You came from Mali. I will not allow foreigners to destroy this country.” - “If you don’t know your history, let me tell you that you hailed from Manding, Mali. What led to your departure from Mali? The Bambaras chased you out from Mali, which led to your resettling in The Gambia. That’s why Foday-Kabba Dumbia… The Mandinkas are foreigners in this country.” - “The Mandinkas are fond of saying they should bail each other out because The Gambia is a Mandinka nation. This is not a Mandinka country. I have solid evidence that the Mandinkas are not from this country. If you don’t behave well, I will deal with you.” - “I will wipe you out and nothing will come out of it. The first demonstration; they were all Mandinkas. The second demonstration were Mandinkas and two Fullas. The Fullas have joined the bad guys; welcome to hell. I urge the Mandinkas to repent to Allah for your bad deeds. The Mandinkas, who the hell do you think you are? You are in the business of demeaning other tribes by calling them “Sourwa-nding ngo, Fulla-nding ngo, Jolla-nding ngo. A good Muslim should not behave like the Mandinkas. You need to repent.” - “This time around, no police will arrest and charge you. The army will be deployed to shoot and kill anyone found in the streets demonstrating. Just demonstrate and see what will happen to you. I will not send the police. I will send the army to wipe you out and see who is going to talk about it. Belahi, walahi talaihi (swearing). I will kill you like ants and nothing will come out of it.” - “All my enemies and Gambia’s enemies will die before the elections. No policeman, or soldier will arrest you. You will all die one by one before the elections.” - “I will kill you like ants and no western country can do darn thing about it. Who are you to disrespect other tribes? You think you own this country. The Gambia is not a Mandinka country. I swear to God: There will be no Mandinka government in The Gambia. Never! If that fails, let me go to hell if I die.” - “What worries me about the Mandinkas is that: The Mandinkas hate themselves. You don’t like yourself. Jawara has been in power for over thirty one years and his worst opponents and enemies were Mandinkas. For thirty one years, the Wollofs, Fullas Jollas, and other tribes, were Jawara’s biggest supporters. If it were not these people, Jawara wouldn’t even have won for second time. Despite Jawara’s tribalism, it was other tribes, who supported Jawara; a Mandingo, a hard-line tribalist.” - “Allah, brought me, and you said you are not going to support me. That’s your business. But if you cross my line, you will never cross somebody’s line again.” - "I am not going to allow donkeys and vermin to destroy twenty one years of development. The Jawara government and four hundred years of the British combined have not done what I have done for The Gambia". - “The Minister of Interior is here. From 1994, to date, if 10,000 Gambians were deported (from the West), 9,950 were all Mandingos. Who are you? And when you go, you tell lies. In fact, I have granted approval… All those being deported from Australia are Mandinkas.” No wonder they voted against him.  |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 3, 2016 1:24:25 GMT
The new Gambian leader has British connections, oh yes. "Born in 1965 near the eastern market town of Basse, Mr Barrow moved to London in the 2000s where he reportedly used to work as a security guard at an Argos catalogue store." |
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Post by spqr on Dec 3, 2016 1:51:57 GMT
I expect that the experience will have prepared him well for leading a nation of nearly 2 million souls. Well, we all have to come from somewhere, don't we? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 1:54:53 GMT
I expect that the experience will have prepared him well for leading a nation of nearly 2 million souls. He studied for a real estate related business degree and worked as a security guard to finance his studies. He has been the CEO of his own real estate developing company since 2006. He is at least as qualified as Trump (low bar.. I know ). Besides his main job is to oversee a three year transitional reform period before a fully free and fair multi party election can be held. He could of course as so many other African opposition leaders get a taste of power and turn authoritarian, but the whole idea was to nominate a non-political outsider (from the largest ethnic group), that was neutral in the internal rivalries of the opposition. |
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Post by spqr on Dec 3, 2016 2:04:10 GMT
Well, we all have to come from somewhere, don't we? Of course. I'm not mocking him. Just making a little joke that fell flat. (I briefly worked as a security guard and later went into business). Good show. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2016 10:04:10 GMT
I expect that the experience will have prepared him well for leading a nation of nearly 2 million souls. If he'd worked as a security guard at Primark it would have been a good preparation   |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 3, 2016 10:45:30 GMT
So it looks like Jammeh only fell 999,999,978 years short of his target |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 15:06:08 GMT
Not sure about the accuracy, but according to usually reliable JollofNews this was what Jammeh said to Barrow when he congratulated him. Says he will return to his home town (rather than go into exile), but we shall see. jollofnews.com/2016/12/02/gambia-2016-jammeh-rings-barrow-offers-supports"I am calling to wish you all the best. The Gambian people have spoken and I have no reason to contest the will of the Almighty Allah. I wish you all the best the country will be in your hands from January and you are assured of my guidance in your transition not in the selection of who should be in your government but you will have to work with me as I pack to go back to Kanilai and handover the State House to you. You are the elected president of the Gambia and I wish you all the best and no ill will."
"This is the will of Allah and as a Muslim I accept it in good faith. The Gambian people have chosen you after 22 years of which I am grateful to the Almighty Allah for that. And Remember I came on a Friday 22 July and I lost on Friday 2nd December. Though it’s not the 22nd, Allah is telling me my time is up and I hand over graciously with gratitude to the Gambian people and gratitude to the Almighty Allah to you."
... Parliamentary elections scheduled for February, but no date set yet. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2016 16:45:41 GMT
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 3, 2016 19:38:46 GMT
Argos. Soviet shopping at its best. Queue for a fucking token, queue to pay and then queue to collect. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 3, 2016 19:47:38 GMT
Not so Jammeh anymore!  |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 3, 2016 20:18:14 GMT
Argos. Soviet shopping at its best. Queue for a fucking token, queue to pay and then queue to collect. it is a curiously 70s system, but then it was invented by the man who brought Green Shield stamps to the UK...(he'd just been on holiday in Argos) And you're being a little bit unfair - Unlike in the Soviet system at least in Argos you get something after all that queuing..  |
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