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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 13, 2017 21:28:14 GMT
The other way around, surely. If there are 10 candidates it means 10 ballots per elector? Either way, if there are 1,000 electors and 10 candidates, then 10,000 sheets of paper! Against 1,000 under our system. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 15, 2017 8:31:14 GMT
Last time, 15 candidates were elected unopposed in the second round after their opponent(s) dropped out.
This year, I can only find one such instance of that phenomenon so far: in Aveyron-II, the mainstream right candidate, who scored 20.2% of the vote in the first round, has withdrawn his candidacy. His pro-Macron challenger, who managed 38.7% this past weekend, will therefore be returned automatically (but in a nod to what Gwyn is complaining about above, I believe ballot papers will still be printed).
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Post by neilm on Jun 15, 2017 9:00:55 GMT
Seems a way of wasting a hell of a lot of paper! If there's an electorate of 1,000 does that mean 1,000 ballots for each candidate? More or less. In all other elections than presidential, that's up to the candidate to provide ballot papers, so some might provide less to save costs. They have to provide their own? Wow. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 15, 2017 9:10:23 GMT
More or less. In all other elections than presidential, that's up to the candidate to provide ballot papers, so some might provide less to save costs. They have to provide their own? Wow. It's their way of weeding out joke candidates (instead of a deposit and signatures). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 19:32:24 GMT
Long way to go...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 19:48:48 GMT
LREM et al 440-470
LR et al 70-90 (ouch...)
PS et al 20-30 (incl. LREM affiliated candidates)
FI/PCF 5-15
FN 1-5 (1-2 seems likely)
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Post by mboy on Jun 15, 2017 19:57:53 GMT
Serves them right for never backing PR.
(Has there ever been a strong PR movement in France?)
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Post by slicesofjim on Jun 15, 2017 21:40:32 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 15, 2017 22:04:25 GMT
Better being a start-up nation than an upstart nation, I suppose  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 15, 2017 22:10:07 GMT
Serves them right for never backing PR. (Has there ever been a strong PR movement in France?) Didn't they have it for one election and then got rid of it because they realised it meant that FN voters would have to be represented? |
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Post by spqr on Jun 15, 2017 22:13:51 GMT
Serves them right for never backing PR. (Has there ever been a strong PR movement in France?) Didn't they have it for one election and then got rid of it because they realised it meant that FN voters would have to be represented? Yes, party lists were used for the 1986 legislative elections. They were scrapped in time for the elections in 1988. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 16, 2017 1:32:30 GMT
Serves them right for never backing PR. (Has there ever been a strong PR movement in France?) Didn't they have it for one election and then got rid of it because they realised it meant that FN voters would have to be represented? Rather, they got rid of it because the right took power and it was one of their main planks (they were strongly opposed to the change in the first place). They consider the left wants PR because it's a way to weaken them to the benefit of the FN. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 8:40:47 GMT
Wiki has an illustrative 2nd round table: Only 16/571 run-offs will be between a left wing and a right wing candidate, down from 417 last time.  |
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Post by maxque on Jun 16, 2017 9:00:30 GMT
Wiki has an illustrative 2nd round table: Only 16/571 run-offs will be between a left wing and a right wing candidate, down from 417 last time. And some of them, like Paris-18 is PS pro-Macron vs. LR pro-Macron. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 10:54:47 GMT
Harris interactive have the right even lower, and are a bit more positive about the far left.
LREM/MoDem et al 440-470
LR et al 60-80
PS et al 22-35 (incl. LREM affiliated candidates)
FI/PCF 14-25
FN & other far right1-6 (not sure what they include here - 1 to Ligue du Sud seems the only likely non-FN)
Others 3-7
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Post by lancastrian on Jun 16, 2017 23:50:53 GMT
How many REM candidates are likely to lose in the second round? They and Modem are in over 500 contests and aren't significantly behind in many. Are voters from all parties eliminated going to get behind them and elect nearly all?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 0:15:10 GMT
How many REM candidates are likely to lose in the second round? They and Modem are in over 500 contests and aren't significantly behind in many. Are voters from all parties eliminated going to get behind them and elect nearly all? Turnout is projected to be very low, so many "opposition" voters will just stay home. But yes, the polls project that the overwhelming majority (c. 90%) of LREM/presidential majority candidates will win. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 18, 2017 9:21:41 GMT
I will be gutted if NKM loses her seat.
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Post by andrea on Jun 18, 2017 9:34:32 GMT
Results from the Outre-mère territories that voted yesterday
St Pierre et Miquelon: minister Annick Girardin (PRG but obviously backed by REM) survives. She wins the run off with 51.87%
Martinique 1: Josette Manin (DVG) 54.85% Philippe Edmond-Mariette (sans étiquette) 45.15%
First female MP elected in Martinique
Martinique 3: Serge Letchimy (DVG, incumbent) 73.94% Francis Carole (Palima) 26,06%.
Martinique 2: Bruno Nestor Azerot (DVG, incumbent) 55.78% Lorrain (Ensemble Pour une Martinique Nouvelle) 44,22%
Martinique 4: Jean-Philippe Nilor (Mouvement indépendantiste martiniquais; incumbent) 68.09% Sylvia Saïthsoothane (Les Républicains) 31,91%
Guyane 1 : Gabriel Serville (Partie Socialiste Guynaise, incumbent) 51.3% Joëlle Prévot-Madère (REM) 48.7%
Guyane 2: Lenaïck Adam (REM) 50.22% Davy Rimane (Pou Lagwiyann Dékolé) 49.78%
Guadeloupe 1: Olivier Serva (REM) 61.74% Rosan Rauzduel (DVG) 38.26%
Guadeloupe 2: Justine Benin (DVG) 64.26% Diana Perran (REM) 35.74%
Guadeloupe 3: Max Mathiasin (DVG) 65.15% Nestor Luce (DVG+REM) 34.85%
Guadeloupe 4: Hélène Vainqueur-Christophe (PS) 61,61% Aramis Arbau (DVD) 38.39%
Saint-Barthélemy et Saint-Martin: Claire Javois (Les Républicains) 54,73% Inès Bouchaut-Choisy (REM) 45.27%
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Post by mboy on Jun 18, 2017 10:18:39 GMT
Guyane 2: Lenaïck Adam (REM) 50.22% Davy Rimane (Pou Lagwiyann Dékolé) 49.78% What was the actual majority there? |
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