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Post by greenhert on Jun 12, 2017 20:09:30 GMT
Former EELV leader Cecile Duflot finished third in Paris' 6th  Only in one circonscription do EELV lead-and it is Doubs' 2nd, surprisingly. |
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Former EELV leader Cecile Duflot finished third in Paris' 6th Only in one circonscription do EELV lead-and it is Doubs' 2nd, surprisingly.According to Hash Éric Alauzet in Doubs is supported by LREM, but didn't split together with the rest of the party's right wing in 2016 and chose to keep the label (though I doubt he used it much during the campaign, those types apparently all pretend to be Macronistes). He is de facto LREM/presidential majority. I think EELV is basically finished now (after losing their right wing and with their ally PS is dying). |
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 20:44:25 GMT
According to French anoraks only two FN candidates have an actual chance in the run-off round: MLP (who is a shoo-in) and party vice president Florian Philippot's boyfriend Bruno Bilde, who has fifty-fifty chance. Philip got less than 25% himself and other heavyweights need a miracle as well. Remarkable that of the two Presidential candidates' parties, one may have 200x more seats than the other, from barely more than 2x more votes! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 21:16:34 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 12, 2017 22:00:37 GMT
Could somebody talk me through the voting process as featured on TV this week?
In particular, what are those racks of leaflets (?) that people seem to choose one or more from?
Presumably they obtain a ballot paper? Do they have to provide ID?
The ballot boxes I note are transparent, and a Presiding Officer appears to open the slot on the top and closely observe the 'posting' of the ballot paper. Am I right?
It all seems much more complex than the UK way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
The 1st round of the presidential election with yesterday's electorate = Macron vs. Fillon run-off, and Le Pen a distant third.  |
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 23:48:22 GMT
Will this be one of the least proportional election results in history? Macron looks set to win 3/4 of seats on 1/3 of votes! The irony of that...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:53:09 GMT
Will this be one of the least proportional election results in history? Macron looks set to win 3/4 of seats on 1/3 of votes! The irony of that... LREM will get more than a third in the run-off, so it depends how you count. Also, if France had pure FPTP the voters would concentrate their votes more in the 1st round, so its hard to compare between FPTP and run-off system. |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 13, 2017 1:07:44 GMT
This time, there are only 4 constituencies, compared to 36 last time, in which a candidate has been elected after the first round – two for En Marche!, one for the divers gauche and one for a minor party allied to the RPR/UMP/LR axis. They are:
The incumbent in Morbihan-IV (a collection of Breton small towns and villages) with 54%. He was previously a regionalist, an ecologist and then briefly allied to the socialists, but is now part of Macron's team. He is also a member of the Conseil régional of Brittany;
Macron spokesman Sylvain Maillard in the ever-volatile Paris-I constituency with 50.8% of the vote. He is a former arch-chiraquien who was later associated with the moderate 'centrist' side of the French right before signing up to Project Macron late last year;
The longtime MP for Somme-V (a very rural and rock-solid conservative/Gaullist seat) with 53.85%. He has been mayor of the town of Albert for even longer, although he had to wrest that post from a Communist! He represents the UDI, having previously been linked to its predecessors the UDF and Nouveau centre. He was not opposed by anyone else from the mainstream right and is a Picardy ex-regional councillor; and
The independent leftist incumbent in the tiny Wallis and Futuna Islands constituency with 50.24% of votes, who was first elected under the divers droite label (but supported, financially as well as morally, by the UMP) at a by-election in 2013! That election was only held because the Constitutional Court declared his UMP predecessor ineligible. He controversially sat in the PS group for much of the last Parliament and was only opposed by another left-winger and a hapless LR candidate this time.
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Post by maxque on Jun 13, 2017 4:33:56 GMT
Could somebody talk me through the voting process as featured on TV this week? In particular, what are those racks of leaflets (?) that people seem to choose one or more from? Presumably they obtain a ballot paper? Do they have to provide ID? The ballot boxes I note are transparent, and a Presiding Officer appears to open the slot on the top and closely observe the 'posting' of the ballot paper. Am I right? It all seems much more complex than the UK way. The leaflets are the ballots. You pick them (at least 2, it's the law), you go the table, you're given an envelope, you go behind the curtain, you put a ballot in the envelope and you bin the others (bin provided behind the curtain) and you sign the book. For ID, it depends if the ton has more or less than 1000 inhabitants: More: You need to show ID (you can also show polling card, but you still need ID) Less: You need to show either ID or polling card (you can show both). Technically, the presiding officers and other employees are the mayor and town councillors, they can use city employees if the city is too large (not enough councillors to cover the whole city). They have a whole counting process that's transparent at least. Envelopes and votes are counted, then votes are counted by a process invloving all 4 poll workers. One unfolds the vote, one loudly announces it (it's public, every citizen can enter the count and denied entrance is ground to void results) and the last two ones marks them on a sheet. |
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Post by neilm on Jun 13, 2017 7:19:45 GMT
Do they count locally in France, ie at polling stations, or do they move stuff to a central counting centre as in the UK? My stepmother said to me 'our village voted for Macron' which suggests that votes are counted locally especially given the speed with which the results come out.
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 13, 2017 8:04:17 GMT
Do they count locally in France, ie at polling stations, or do they move stuff to a central counting centre as in the UK? My stepmother said to me 'our village voted for Macron' which suggests that votes are counted locally especially given the speed with which the results come out. They count by commune, which is why the results are produced at that level and there's a lot of quick results from small rural communes and you can get village level results. I think there's only one polling station per commune, but not sure if this is true in big cities. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 13, 2017 9:20:24 GMT
Do they count locally in France, ie at polling stations, or do they move stuff to a central counting centre as in the UK? My stepmother said to me 'our village voted for Macron' which suggests that votes are counted locally especially given the speed with which the results come out. They count by commune, which is why the results are produced at that level and there's a lot of quick results from small rural communes and you can get village level results. I think there's only one polling station per commune, but not sure if this is true in big cities. They count locally. A 1500 inhabitants village would have 2 or 3 polling stations, which might be in the same building or not at all. I once found a database of results in big cities by polling station, no clue where it is now. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 13, 2017 9:50:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:05:33 GMT
Georg Ebner please check if maps have already been posted before you post them (see a few posts above your first map..).
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 13, 2017 16:52:15 GMT
Could somebody talk me through the voting process as featured on TV this week? In particular, what are those racks of leaflets (?) that people seem to choose one or more from? Presumably they obtain a ballot paper? Do they have to provide ID? The ballot boxes I note are transparent, and a Presiding Officer appears to open the slot on the top and closely observe the 'posting' of the ballot paper. Am I right? It all seems much more complex than the UK way. The leaflets are the ballots. You pick them (at least 2, it's the law), you go the table, you're given an envelope, you go behind the curtain, you put a ballot in the envelope and you bin the others (bin provided behind the curtain) and you sign the book. Seems a way of wasting a hell of a lot of paper! If there's an electorate of 1,000 does that mean 1,000 ballots for each candidate? |
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Post by mboy on Jun 13, 2017 16:59:18 GMT
The other way around, surely. If there are 10 candidates it means 10 ballots per elector?
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Post by myth11 on Jun 13, 2017 17:00:53 GMT
Will this be one of the least proportional election results in history? Macron looks set to win 3/4 of seats on 1/3 of votes! The irony of that... French pr elections used in the locals are no better with big bonus seats awarded to the winner. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 13, 2017 21:21:57 GMT
The leaflets are the ballots. You pick them (at least 2, it's the law), you go the table, you're given an envelope, you go behind the curtain, you put a ballot in the envelope and you bin the others (bin provided behind the curtain) and you sign the book. Seems a way of wasting a hell of a lot of paper! If there's an electorate of 1,000 does that mean 1,000 ballots for each candidate? More or less. In all other elections than presidential, that's up to the candidate to provide ballot papers, so some might provide less to save costs. |
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