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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 11, 2017 21:35:56 GMT
Only surviving PS candidates are the ones with no LREM candidates running against them or are from the overseas territories/countries. This is incredible. It's like watching Pasok all over again. Once the Parti socialiste of Wallonia follows suit, I will be a very, very happy man. Can but dream. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 11, 2017 21:40:05 GMT
A new left wing party will now almost certainly emerge from the tattered remnants of the PS.
On balance probably a good thing, even if (like many) I don't particularly like or trust Melenchon.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 11, 2017 21:46:03 GMT
A new left wing party will now almost certainly emerge from the tattered remnants of the PS. On balance probably a good thing, even if (like many) I don't particularly like or trust Melenchon. We do need to remember that French party boundaries are a lot more flexible than ours - nearer Italy than our relatively stable party groupings. I said that the PS would effectively no longer exist - frankly, we will have a virtual one party state for the next few years which many from the centrist part of the left voted for. Clearly many left wing voters decided it wasn't worth bothering with this election. But the left will survive in France, and Melenchon is probably the best person to lead its revival. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 11, 2017 21:48:29 GMT
Well I guess the people who were hoping to see the Left in a large European country go into total electoral meltdown and were disappointed by what happened in Britain get this... but it's suicide as much as murder. Already spotted a few seats with FI, PS and PCF candidates all over 10% and none through...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 11, 2017 22:37:38 GMT
Melenchon popped up earlier suggesting that his voters pick anyone who is neither FN nor Macroniste. And that includes voting for Gaullists.
Meanwhile, NKM denies she is joining En Marche.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 23:16:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 10:04:05 GMT
There will only be one triangulaire (Aube-1 with LREM/LR and FN), down from 34 in 2012. All other runoffs will all be two-way with no opportunity to sneak in on a plurality. This will hurt FN big time.
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 12, 2017 10:59:52 GMT
Well I guess the people who were hoping to see the Left in a large European country go into total electoral meltdown and were disappointed by what happened in Britain get this... but it's suicide as much as murder. Already spotted a few seats with FI, PS and PCF candidates all over 10% and none through... Where was the French progressive alliance? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 11:15:02 GMT
Well I guess the people who were hoping to see the Left in a large European country go into total electoral meltdown and were disappointed by what happened in Britain get this... but it's suicide as much as murder. Already spotted a few seats with FI, PS and PCF candidates all over 10% and none through... Where was the French progressive alliance? A big part of the French left is staunchly reactionary. |
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 11:34:39 GMT
If only there was a different electoral system that could better represent the outcome of elections like this...
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 11:36:09 GMT
This will hurt FN big time. I wonder if the foregone conclusion of a Macron landslide means people will be less inclined to vote against FN at all costs, given how few seats they can win at max? |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 12, 2017 11:51:12 GMT
Well I guess the people who were hoping to see the Left in a large European country go into total electoral meltdown and were disappointed by what happened in Britain get this... but it's suicide as much as murder. Already spotted a few seats with FI, PS and PCF candidates all over 10% and none through... Where was the French progressive alliance? Um. Isn't that supposed to be the whole point of LREM, only with "progressive" extended to include elements of the centre-right? |
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 11:55:55 GMT
 Yeh - arguably the non-progressives on the left and right have been rightly beaten for the first time! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 12:15:05 GMT
This will hurt FN big time. I wonder if the foregone conclusion of a Macron landslide means people will be less inclined to vote against FN at all costs, given how few seats they can win at max? Won't really matter much. Apart from MLP herself none of their candidates got more than 40% of the vote, which is the normal requirement for them to win a two-way run-off. Their voters simply stayed home (they got 2.99 mio. vs. 7.67 for MLP in the 1st round). There is little chance that they can be bothered to vote in the run-off, and LREM only needs a small amount of extra votes to help them block FN in nearly all places. You have big FN names entering the run-off with less than 25%. |
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Post by thetop on Jun 12, 2017 12:34:01 GMT
Yeh - arguably the non-progressives on the left and right have been rightly beaten for the first time! Watch as they progressively water-down worker's rights. |
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2017 13:13:54 GMT
There's nothing progressive about "workers rights" that cripple an economy, drive up unemployment, and grossly favour the older and established.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 12, 2017 13:22:36 GMT
Macron has got what he wanted, and on one level, thats fine. The left haven't gone away, but many of them didn't bother to vote in this election, and as I said earlier, I think the PS will effectively shut down and a new clearly left wing force needs to emerge.
Quite how the experiment with the 'centre' will pan out is anyone's guess. I wouldn't have voted for Macron, and I have no time for his liberal views. I have a feeling he will run into problems - the French electorate like the idea of change but the reality of it often meets with a very different response.
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 12, 2017 13:45:27 GMT
There's a balance to be drawn on workers rights. The situation where there is high unemployment, many young people on temporary contracts, but good protection of older workers pay and security doesn't look optimal. But nor does the British situation where workers rights are minimal, pay is static or declining, unemployment is low, but again many young people are on temporary contracts.
It really ought to be possible to come up with a better and fairer solution, and therefore Macron has an opportunity, particularly since the general economic climate, both worldwide and in the EU, is improving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:50:35 GMT
Nicolas Dupont-Aignan is 6% behind his LREM opponent before the run-off and seems toast as well. Guess the Le Pen endorsement backfired.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 17:19:37 GMT
According to French anoraks only two FN candidates have an actual chance in the run-off round: MLP (who is a shoo-in) and party vice president Florian Philippot's boyfriend Bruno Bilde, who has fifty-fifty chance. Philippot got less than 25% himself and other heavyweights need a miracle as well. |
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Yeh - arguably the non-progressives on the left and right have been rightly beaten for the first time!