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Post by mrhell on Nov 8, 2016 16:03:02 GMT
I'm sure some loyalists wouldn't respect the result, while in recent years, I agree that the Westminster government would. But there's no point since 1922 where a border poll had any chance of going this way - so my question would be, what else would have changed to produce the result? If it was, e.g. a boycott by unionists, that might be problematic. Maybe if the vote was compulsory they would have no choice. Why would anyone make it compulsory? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 20:53:40 GMT
Maybe if the vote was compulsory they would have no choice. Why would anyone make it compulsory? Some countries have compulsory voting ie Australia. I am not in favour of it myself, as I believe abstention is a good as voting. The scenario is of course a "what if?" |
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Post by mrhell on Nov 8, 2016 21:37:13 GMT
Why would anyone make it compulsory? Some countries have compulsory voting ie Australia. I am not in favour of it myself, as I believe abstention is a good as voting. The scenario is of course a "what if?" True but it's got to be realistic or else you get is known in alternate history as Alien Space Bats denoting something very unlikely to happen. |
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Post by Tom on Nov 8, 2016 22:30:08 GMT
Would be interesting to see in the event of a border poll to see whether mainland British politicians would stay neutral or campaign for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 23:08:14 GMT
Would be interesting to see in the event of a border poll to see whether mainland British politicians would stay neutral or campaign for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK. I think it would a purely Northern Ireland matter. The only mainland party that would campaign would obviously be the Tory party. |
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Post by freefair on Jan 17, 2017 4:19:28 GMT
Would NI retain it's current parties post Unification or would we see Fianna Fail get more conservative Catholic votes and Fine Gael get support from protestant (particularly UUP) voters? It is Obvious that the SLDP and Irish Labour would merge?
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Post by boondock on Jan 17, 2017 9:32:03 GMT
SF, Green and PBP are all all island parties anyway. SDLP would officially merge with labour but several members would probably end up in FF Alliance would probably have to merge with one of the smaller parties to remain viable Unionists would still be a substantial block and potential junior partner in any govenrment allowing them all sorts of concessions. For those who think this is all pie in the sky stuff the latest lucid talk poll has unity at 44% (thats before the latest RHI farce came to a head) and this is a Lucid talk poll ie the same people that regularly poll support for unity at around 10-20% but I guess most people didnt give a flying f about N.Ireland when voting for Brexit. lucidtalk.co.uk/news/219-lt-december-2016-ni-wide-tracker-pollPs - repartition is a non-starter. Firstly why make the same mistake all over again and secondly how exactly is the new Antrim/Down going to work now that Belfast city itself has more Nationalist elected representatives than Unionist |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 17, 2017 17:57:30 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Jan 17, 2017 18:00:09 GMT
SF, Green and PBP are all all island parties anyway. SDLP would officially merge with labour but several members would probably end up in FF Alliance would probably have to merge with one of the smaller parties to remain viable Unionists would still be a substantial block and potential junior partner in any govenrment allowing them all sorts of concessions. For those who think this is all pie in the sky stuff the latest lucid talk poll has unity at 44% (thats before the latest RHI farce came to a head) and this is a Lucid talk poll ie the same people that regularly poll support for unity at around 10-20% but I guess most people didnt give a flying f about N.Ireland when voting for Brexit. lucidtalk.co.uk/news/219-lt-december-2016-ni-wide-tracker-pollPs - repartition is a non-starter. Firstly why make the same mistake all over again and secondly how exactly is the new Antrim/Down going to work now that Belfast city itself has more Nationalist elected representatives than Unionist The closest equivalent to Alliance in political terms in the Republic of Ireland is Renua (a liberal-conservative party that split from Fine Gael in 2013; it has no seats in the Dail but a fair amount of support in some areas) on that note.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 17, 2017 18:58:53 GMT
No it wasn't. Just like virtually everything you write, you have a ridiculously over-simplistic opinion and present it as an unarguable fact. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 17, 2017 19:02:36 GMT
Yeah there were no divisions before 1922..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 20:18:41 GMT
Renua  is an unpleasant reactionary bunch of losers. Alliance would be better of working with the new SDP. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 17, 2017 20:22:38 GMT
Renault is an unpleasant reactionary bunch of losers. Alliance would be better of working with the new SDP. Autocorrect is a wonderful thing. I prefer Citroen. Though their cars are lemons. |
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Post by Toylyyev on Jan 18, 2017 3:14:57 GMT
Renault is an unpleasant reactionary bunch of losers. Alliance would be better of working with the new SDP. Fís Nua is a wonderful thing. I prefer Citroen. Though their cars are lemons. Abstained from opening a thread here |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 18, 2017 10:56:21 GMT
Thought that Renua were no longer a thing?
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Post by Foggy on Jan 18, 2017 17:41:16 GMT
Thought that Renua were no longer a thing? I thought they became 'no longer a thing' within minutes of Lucinda Creighton being declared excluded from the count in her constituency 11 months ago. |
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Post by john07 on Jan 18, 2017 22:53:19 GMT
No he is pointing out glaring errors in your writing style as am I. Anyway better a pedant than an idiot!! Only an idiot would be proud of being a pedant... Better to be a pedant than be a pendant! |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 18, 2017 23:23:30 GMT
Only an idiot would be proud of being a pedant... Better to be a pedant than be a pendant! And better to be a pedant than to talk pendants. |
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 19, 2017 8:12:45 GMT
just don't leave the thread dangling
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Post by Pimpernal on Jan 20, 2017 14:56:40 GMT
Addressing this idiotic nationalist/green fantasy: It's never going to happen. The last comprehensive opinion poll in Northern Ireland from Ipsos Mori in 2013 found overwhelming support in favour of Northern Ireland remaining a part of the union in all areas of Northern Ireland (even in Londonderry where 55% of respondents stated they would vote for Northern Ireland to remain a part of the United Kingdom against 23% opting to join the Republic of Ireland). Support for the union is particularly high among younger voters (65% remain, 16% leave among 18-24 year olds) and even ahead among Roman Catholic voters according to the poll (38% remain to 35% leave). People don't want second troubles! And even if it did happen, which it won't, it's likely that Roman Catholic voters would boycott the vote as they did 1973 when 98.9% voted for Northern Ireland to remain a part of the United Kingdom. And even if it did happen with a 52% leave vote, it's probable that the counties of Antrim and Down would refuse to leave the United Kingdom. The process would not be peaceful. And it's never going to happen. Or maybe the English get the chance to vote on whether or not to leave the Union... |
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