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Post by akmd on May 25, 2013 23:35:42 GMT
Bob's persistent trolling has certainly been a factor in my decision to join. I probably will post on UKPR if it dies down but otherwise, I'll be contributing to here instead. It's a shame because the new site has better profiles and information like bar charts and demographics which are useful to have. I'll be keeping my eye on it for any positive changes.
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Post by Andrew_S on May 25, 2013 23:45:17 GMT
Hello all. I've been lurking on this site for some time and I have now finally decided to join. I'll be 27 in 5 weeks time and I have lived in Battersea, SW London my whole life. Some of you may recognise my user name from UK Polling Report where I have been a regular poster for the past couple of years. I hope to become a regular poster here from now on. I have been a Labour supporter since I've been old enough to vote. I have been a party member for almost 3 years. I would also like to have my affiliation displayed on this forum. Away from politics, my interests include film, art, music, history, reading and tennis. That means Alf Dubs was still the Labour MP for Battersea when you were born unless my maths are wrong.  |
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Post by akmd on May 26, 2013 0:07:24 GMT
Just about. He represented the area for one more year until he lost in 1987. I've never met him but my mum (a life-long Labour voter) certainly remembers him and his successor, John Bowis, who she did actually like despite never voting for him.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 26, 2013 0:18:45 GMT
Good to see you here akmd I know you will make a very worthwhile contribution on the psephological side of things here |
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Post by carlton43 on May 26, 2013 14:38:49 GMT
Good Afternoon. I have followed the site since Eastleigh by-election and have decided to join up.
I turned 70 this month and have been retired from a day job a long time. When I had one it was in banking (cashier-chief clerk-O&M-Inspectorate-Management) starting Maidstone and departing from Sheffield.
Born near Crewe in WW2 because Dad posted there with RAF. Grew up and educated in Maistone area of Kent. Grammar School boy and very pro Grammar School. No college or university. Two sets of professional exams by night school and correspondence. Then about 2-years of courses in lifetime. Then 3-years at an art school after retiring.
Lifelong conservative with small 'c'. Member of Conservative Party 1959-1983 (Ward, branch, constituency and area official). YC and CPC official. Frequent candidate in local elections 60s and early 70s. Main work in Maidstone, Ashford and Mid Suffolk constituencies. Also mutual aid work London,Faversham,Woolwich. Latterly connection with Bassetlaw.
Keen monetarist and Thatcherite. Disaffected by her demise. Last voted Conservative 1992. Voted Labour 1997 and 2001. Since then Independent,SNP, No Vote and UKIP. Joined UKIP 03/12 and renewed this year.
Lived near Maidstone, near Ashford, central London,near Stowmarket, near Worksop, and now Torridon in Wester Ross. Have spent 6-years living in Sansepolcro, Italy and still go there for 3-5 months each year. Off a week tomorrow.
In a complete rethink over a 10-year period I left Anglicanism for Atheism, Royalism for Republicanism, and High Toryism for more Populist conservatism.
Major interests Real Ale, Whisky, Red Wine, France, Italy, Railways, Opera, Philosophy, History and Literature...plus Politics...of course!
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Post by cibwr on May 26, 2013 20:33:22 GMT
Carlton I think you and I are going to disagree on much, but welcome - I think the real ale fans are something of a majority here - I am glad to say
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Post by carlton43 on May 27, 2013 0:03:58 GMT
Thank you Plaid. Most of my close friends are well to the left of me and often religious and oddly also vegetarian! This is good as I love argument in the formal sense. I can conduct it to destruction and without heat and certainly without being unpleasantly personal. I don't mind what is said about my party or my views and ideas but I abhor personal abuse and ridicule. That really got to me. It was as if the 'other side' must not be heard. A sort of North Korea of otherwise nice people.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 13:07:52 GMT
Real Ale fans are in great number here, you'll be reet....
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Post by Harrier on May 29, 2013 16:46:22 GMT
Hello people!
I've recently joined the site although have been following for some time. I am a Conservative supporter in Cheshire.
I look forward to posting more, particularly if I can add a bit of local knowledge to a thread.
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Post by carlton43 on May 29, 2013 22:46:05 GMT
Real Ale fans are in great number here, you'll be reet.... Thanks Dok. Glad to hear so many fans. It is the cornerstone of British Life and probably deserves a thread? Perhaps there is one? My all-time favourites are Roses of Malton, Beards and King and Barnes. Growing up in Kent I learnt to love very weak very heavily hopped, flat beers and still do. Here in Scotland they prefer thick strong ale with bags of alcohol, but more micros with a broader range are helping. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 23:04:01 GMT
Good Afternoon. I have followed the site since Eastleigh by-election and have decided to join up. I turned 70 this month and have been retired from a day job a long time. When I had one it was in banking (cashier-chief clerk-O&M-Inspectorate-Management) starting Maidstone and departing from Sheffield. Born near Crewe in WW2 because Dad posted there with RAF. Grew up and educated in Maistone area of Kent. Grammar School boy and very pro Grammar School. No college or university. Two sets of professional exams by night school and correspondence. Then about 2-years of courses in lifetime. Then 3-years at an art school after retiring. Lifelong conservative with small 'c'. Member of Conservative Party 1959-1983 (Ward, branch, constituency and area official). YC and CPC official. Frequent candidate in local elections 60s and early 70s. Main work in Maidstone, Ashford and Mid Suffolk constituencies. Also mutual aid work London,Faversham,Woolwich. Latterly connection with Bassetlaw. Keen monetarist and Thatcherite. Disaffected by her demise. Last voted Conservative 1992. Voted Labour 1997 and 2001. Since then Independent ,SNP, No Vote and UKIP. Joined UKIP 03/12 and renewed this year. Lived near Maidstone, near Ashford, central London,near Stowmarket, near Worksop, and now Torridon in Wester Ross. Have spent 6-years living in Sansepolcro, Italy and still go there for 3-5 months each year. Off a week tomorrow. In a complete rethink over a 10-year period I left Anglicanism for Atheism, Royalism for Republicanism, and High Toryism for more Populist conservatism. Major interests Real Ale, Whisky, Red Wine, France, Italy, Railways, Opera, Philosophy, History and Literature...plus Politics...of course! Welcome! A very intresting policy mix! Can't be many UKIP voters who are ex SNP anti-monarchist atheists! I dont quite see how high-toryism was compatible with labour voting either! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 23:06:52 GMT
Thank you Plaid. Most of my close friends are well to the left of me and often religious and oddly also vegetarian! This is good as I love argument in the formal sense. I can conduct it to destruction and without heat and certainly without being unpleasantly personal. I don't mind what is said about my party or my views and ideas but I abhor personal abuse and ridicule. That really got to me. It was as if the 'other side' must not be heard. A sort of North Korea of otherwise nice people. I would be very interested if there is a correlation between the two or not. Vegans (of which I am one) tend to be barking mad, and would expect them to be Green or SWP voters or something similar, but I wouldn't be suprised if vegetarians were, like homosexuals, further to the right than one would expect from stereotyping. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 29, 2013 23:58:04 GMT
Good Afternoon. I have followed the site since Eastleigh by-election and have decided to join up. I turned 70 this month and have been retired from a day job a long time. When I had one it was in banking (cashier-chief clerk-O&M-Inspectorate-Management) starting Maidstone and departing from Sheffield. Born near Crewe in WW2 because Dad posted there with RAF. Grew up and educated in Maistone area of Kent. Grammar School boy and very pro Grammar School. No college or university. Two sets of professional exams by night school and correspondence. Then about 2-years of courses in lifetime. Then 3-years at an art school after retiring. Lifelong conservative with small 'c'. Member of Conservative Party 1959-1983 (Ward, branch, constituency and area official). YC and CPC official. Frequent candidate in local elections 60s and early 70s. Main work in Maidstone, Ashford and Mid Suffolk constituencies. Also mutual aid work London,Faversham,Woolwich. Latterly connection with Bassetlaw. Keen monetarist and Thatcherite. Disaffected by her demise. Last voted Conservative 1992. Voted Labour 1997 and 2001. Since then Independent ,SNP, No Vote and UKIP. Joined UKIP 03/12 and renewed this year. Lived near Maidstone, near Ashford, central London,near Stowmarket, near Worksop, and now Torridon in Wester Ross. Have spent 6-years living in Sansepolcro, Italy and still go there for 3-5 months each year. Off a week tomorrow. In a complete rethink over a 10-year period I left Anglicanism for Atheism, Royalism for Republicanism, and High Toryism for more Populist conservatism. Major interests Real Ale, Whisky, Red Wine, France, Italy, Railways, Opera, Philosophy, History and Literature...plus Politics...of course! Welcome! A very intresting policy mix! Can't be many UKIP voters who are ex SNP anti-monarchist atheists! I dont quite see how high-toryism was compatible with labour voting either! Probably not many. It wasn't compatible and that is the point. Of course i was able to vote New Labour because it was not a socialist party at that time, and I would contend it produced three of the most right-wing Home Secretaries in my fairly long experience, so less astonishing than maybe? |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2013 0:01:58 GMT
Thank you Plaid. Most of my close friends are well to the left of me and often religious and oddly also vegetarian! This is good as I love argument in the formal sense. I can conduct it to destruction and without heat and certainly without being unpleasantly personal. I don't mind what is said about my party or my views and ideas but I abhor personal abuse and ridicule. That really got to me. It was as if the 'other side' must not be heard. A sort of North Korea of otherwise nice people. I would be very interested if there is a correlation between the two or not. Vegans (of which I am one) tend to be barking mad, and would expect them to be Green or SWP voters or something similar, but I wouldn't be suprised if vegetarians were, like homosexuals, further to the right than one would expect from stereotyping. My evidence is from a very limited experience of friends, associates and colleagues, and on that basis most have been Labour or Green or Non-party. None I can recall were Conservative. But I see a Phd paper in the making for you if you have the time and inclination. Can't wait to see the graphs and bar charts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 20:44:33 GMT
Alan Clark was a vegetarian.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 21:01:28 GMT
I would be very interested if there is a correlation between the two or not. Vegans (of which I am one) tend to be barking mad, and would expect them to be Green or SWP voters or something similar, but I wouldn't be suprised if vegetarians were, like homosexuals, further to the right than one would expect from stereotyping. My evidence is from a very limited experience of friends, associates and colleagues, and on that basis most have been Labour or Green or Non-party. None I can recall were Conservative. But I see a Phd paper in the making for you if you have the time and inclination. Can't wait to see the graphs and bar charts. Sadly I'm already neck deep in a PhD! (Chemistry/Physics not politics) |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 21:03:07 GMT
Alan Clark was a vegetarian. JP "Did it bother you personally that you were causing such mayhem and human suffering (by supplying arms for Indonesia's war in East Timor)?" AC "No, not in the slightest, it never entered my head." JP "I ask the question because I read you are a vegetarian and you are quite seriously concerned about the way animals are killed." AC "Yeah..?" JP "Doesn’t that concern extend to the way humans, albeit foreigners, are killed?" AC "Curiously not. No." You wouldn't hear those lines from a politician nowadays! (Stolen from wiki but its a good example) |
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Post by john07 on May 30, 2013 22:40:26 GMT
I knew one vegetarian conservative. It was not through choice. He had been raised as a vegetarian by his utopian socialist family. He actually liked meat but his digestive system could not handle it.
I worked with another vegetarian who was a conservative party member. He was also a marxist (in a theoretical academic sense). That is he felt Marx's analysis was correct but he obviously did not approve of it!
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2013 23:12:06 GMT
I knew one vegetarian conservative. It was not through choice. He had been raised as a vegetarian by his utopian socialist family. He actually liked meat but his digestive system could not handle it. I worked with another vegetarian who was a conservative party member. He was also a marxist (in a theoretical academic sense). That is he felt Marx's analysis was correct but he obviously did not approve of it! You have prompted me to remember I do have a close friend who is Tory and veggie because of an intolerance to most meat also. They are out there waiting to be identified! But I never think of such people as 'proper' veggies somehow. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2013 23:13:12 GMT
Alan Clark was a vegetarian. Yes. And militantly anti-hunting, like the Widdiecomb. |
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