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Post by uhurasmazda on Jan 28, 2017 6:14:20 GMT
Yesterday someone who is a natural VVD voter and used to be a huge Rutte supporter, told me she hadn't yet decided whom she was going to vote for. Apparantly the campaign starts today. Campaigns are almost exclusively fought in the media, so can be easily ignored. I had wondered whether Dutch elections were mainly fought in the air, so to speak. It would certainly tally with the volatile fluctuations in polling and the de-pillarisation of partisan support. Doorknocking can't be easy when there are so many parties of roughly equal strength - are you saying that it Just Doesn't Happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:37:48 GMT
Yesterday someone who is a natural VVD voter and used to be a huge Rutte supporter, told me she hadn't yet decided whom she was going to vote for. Apparantly the campaign starts today. Campaigns are almost exclusively fought in the media, so can be easily ignored. I had wondered whether Dutch elections were mainly fought in the air, so to speak. It would certainly tally with the volatile fluctuations in polling and the de-pillarisation of partisan support. Doorknocking can't be easy when there are so many parties of roughly equal strength - are you saying that it Just Doesn't Happen? No, I have never been canvassed at home. I think most people would be both surprised and annoyed that someone would bother them at home. Violence can't be excluded. Since I have a No No sticker at my door, which means I don't want to receive any advertising material or free newpapers, I also don't get any leaflets. once the Green Left put a leaflet in my letterbox on the assumption that I used the sticker because I wanted to save the world (instead of that I am too lazy to throw all that paper away). i've been accosted by politicians while I'm in the city centre usually on election day. A stern: i've voted but not for your lot will suffice on that occasion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:41:29 GMT
I'm always rather amused that the Dutch Greens were formed as a merger between the Communist Party, the Pacifist Socialist Party, the Evangelical People's Party and a splinter of the Catholic People's Party. You are mistaken at labelling Groen Links as the Greens. Being Dutch, of course there was a separate party: De Groenen (=the Greens). They were succesfull in local elections, in Amsterdam anyways. They were represented in the city council, and also had a representative in my borough council in Amsterdam Noord. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:44:02 GMT
I had wondered whether Dutch elections were mainly fought in the air, so to speak. It would certainly tally with the volatile fluctuations in polling and the de-pillarisation of partisan support. Doorknocking can't be easy when there are so many parties of roughly equal strength - are you saying that it Just Doesn't Happen? Since I have a No No sticker at my door, which means I don't want to receive any advertising material or free newpapers, I also don't get any leaflets. once the Green Left put a leaflet in my letterbox on the assumption that I used the sticker because I wanted to save the world (instead of that I am too lazy to throw all that paper away). i've been accosted by politicians while I'm in the city centre usually on election day. A stern: i've voted but not for your lot will suffice on that occasion. I've been told the same by French friends. In France, if somebody had the temerity to come to the door and ask who you were voting for, the appropriate response would be to set the dogs on them. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 28, 2017 15:38:10 GMT
Same in Germany. And of course in Japan... er... well it's enough of a social faux pas to even ask someone how they intend to vote that normal opinion polling isn't even possible there. So the pollsters ask which parties people approve of instead.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 29, 2017 23:28:33 GMT
I'd struggle to vote for this wide array of dreadful parties. I'd lean towards the CDA or at a push the VVD.
But I cannot fathom why Wilders' dubious and literal one-man organisation gets so little attention on its lack of structure. At least with the LPF and the like, it was a real party with real people in it. It looks like half vanity exercise, half authoritarian cult.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 20:19:11 GMT
I'd struggle to vote for this wide array of dreadful parties. I'd lean towards the CDA or at a push the VVD. But I cannot fathom why Wilders' dubious and literal one-man organisation gets so little attention on its lack of structure. At least with the LPF and the like, it was a real party with real people in it. It looks like half vanity exercise, half authoritarian cult. IT gets plenty of attention, but the kind of people that support the PVV don't care about those things. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 2, 2017 0:14:50 GMT
All ballots to be counted by hand in the Dutch election to avoid possibility of hacking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 4:56:58 GMT
All ballots to be counted by hand in the Dutch election to avoid possibility of hacking. And that with possibly 31 parties on the ballot. All will be revealed tomorrow. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 2, 2017 18:59:40 GMT
  Made these last time round. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 2, 2017 20:24:59 GMT
What drives the PVV vote in Limburg? Mining country?
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 2, 2017 20:34:45 GMT
What drives the PVV vote in Limburg? Mining country? Catholic bigots  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 2, 2017 20:36:03 GMT
What drives the PVV vote in Limburg? Mining country? Catholic bigots That reminds me that the SGP website still shuts on Sundays. |
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Post by iain on Feb 2, 2017 20:46:06 GMT
Is there a link to all the box results from 2012?
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 3, 2017 0:03:11 GMT
What drives the PVV vote in Limburg? You have all the business about distance from the centres of power, cultural distinctiveness, the collapse of the pillar system in what was the most Catholic/KVP part of the country and so on, but Geert Wilders being from there is a huge factor as well. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 3, 2017 7:53:22 GMT
What drives the PVV vote in Limburg? You have all the business about distance from the centres of power, cultural distinctiveness, the collapse of the pillar system in what was the most Catholic/KVP part of the country and so on, but Geert Wilders being from there is a huge factor as well. Fancy that, I'd thought he was from Utrecht. Now I look and he's from Venlo. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 19:02:05 GMT
28 parties will be on the ballot paper. Can't wait to receive my poll card, which will be accompagnied by a dummy ballot paper
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Post by lennon on Feb 3, 2017 21:11:57 GMT
28 parties will be on the ballot paper. Can't wait to receive my poll card, which will be accompagnied by a dummy ballot paper |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 3, 2017 23:15:31 GMT
Bloody hell,the ones who aren't in the Kamer look worse than the dross who are!
CDA reluctantly for me. Or maybe equally reluctantly the VVD or ChristenUnie.
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 3, 2017 23:36:27 GMT
28 parties will be on the ballot paper. Can't wait to receive my poll card, which will be accompagnied by a dummy ballot paper I'm looking forward to the forum poll. |
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