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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 6:02:38 GMT
Trying to work out whether the PvdA or SP is currently the most pathetic and can't decide. The Dutch Left is the biggest joke. Seems that it is pretty much the case in most of western Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 19:59:09 GMT
Tonight Rutte lost yet another member of his government: the secretary of state for Safety and Justice Van der Steur (whose job title is Minister) had lost the confidence of the second chamber because of his role in the affair that led to the departure of his predecessor. He resigned. In essence this has to do with a deal the former minster at that department (with the job title secretary of state) made with a criminal in his previous role as public prosecutor. Somehow the government never was able to fully inform parliament of the details of that deal, and especially about the amount paid. This week a book was published that claimed that Van der Steur, while he was a member of parliament, had edited the intended response by the ministery, to leave out information that could be painful for the government.
More importantly, during the debate the truthfullness of prime minister Rutte was once again under attack. It's likely that during the campaign that will start in a few weeks this will be a major issue. That may help Wilders to become the biggest party.
Van der Steur is the sixth member of this government to resign after losing the confidence of parliament. Earlier the affair I mentioned also lead to the resignation of the speaker of the chamber.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
Trying to work out whether the PvdA or SP is currently the most pathetic and can't decide. The Dutch Left is the biggest joke. And this from a supporter of the British Labour party. Irony is alive and well. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 26, 2017 23:03:58 GMT
Surely that fact makes me well qualified?
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 26, 2017 23:37:26 GMT
Trying to work out whether the PvdA or SP is currently the most pathetic and can't decide. The Dutch Left is the biggest joke. Is there anyone in Dutch politics at the moment who isn't,? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 5:21:01 GMT
Surely that fact makes me well qualified? That's one way of looking at iT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 5:23:19 GMT
Trying to work out whether the PvdA or SP is currently the most pathetic and can't decide. The Dutch Left is the biggest joke. Is there anyone in Dutch politics at the moment who isn't,? No more than usual, I'm afraid. Fortunately we are spared the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg, Diane Abbott and Nigel Farage. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 27, 2017 11:04:24 GMT
Trying to work out whether the PvdA or SP is currently the most pathetic and can't decide. The Dutch Left is the biggest joke. And this from a supporter of the British Labour party. Irony is alive and well. Well however bad things are for us, we haven't dropped into EIGHTH place in any polls yet  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 17:12:47 GMT
And this from a supporter of the British Labour party. Irony is alive and well. At least we're not polling at 7% of the vote (well not yet, anyway!) And have less influence on the governing of the UK in the next 10 years than PvdA will have on the governing of the Netherlands in the next 4. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 27, 2017 17:19:22 GMT
Since the electoral systems are so different, such a claim is entirely meaningless. And how much "influence" will PvdA have if they really are PASOKified??
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Post by iain on Jan 27, 2017 17:32:07 GMT
Since the electoral systems are so different, such a claim is entirely meaningless. And how much "influence" will PvdA have if they really are PASOKified?? But makes claims about not falling to 8th, sub-10%, equally meaningless. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 27, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
Since the electoral systems are so different, such a claim is entirely meaningless. And how much "influence" will PvdA have if they really are PASOKified?? In fairness they will almost certainly be leading in the polls within mere months of losing 2/3rds of their vote from last time, because that's how Dutch politics works in these depillared times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:35:32 GMT
Since the electoral systems are so different, such a claim is entirely meaningless. And how much "influence" will PvdA have if they really are PASOKified?? But makes claims about not falling to 8th, sub-10%, equally meaningless. That they're polling behind the Greens is perhaps at least somewhat indicative of the state they're in, however. |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 27, 2017 21:50:06 GMT
The Dutch Greens are also set to get their best seat total ever (15-16), speaking on that matter  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 27, 2017 21:51:19 GMT
And will doubtless be polling at three seats within months of the election if they enter government, lol.
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Post by iain on Jan 27, 2017 22:15:45 GMT
The Dutch Greens are also set to get their best seat total ever (15-16), speaking on that matter In the context of a Dutch election campaign, there's a long time still to go! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:42:33 GMT
I'm always rather amused that the Dutch Greens were formed as a merger between the Communist Party, the Pacifist Socialist Party, the Evangelical People's Party and a splinter of the Catholic People's Party.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 27, 2017 22:45:30 GMT
I'm always rather amused that the Dutch Greens were formed as a merger between the Communist Party, the Pacifist Socialist Party, the Evangelical People's Party and a splinter of the Catholic People's Party. It's political correctness gone sane, I tell you.  |
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Post by iain on Jan 28, 2017 1:11:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 4:32:59 GMT
Yesterday someone who is a natural VVD voter and used to be a huge Rutte supporter, told me she hadn't yet decided whom she was going to vote for. Apparantly the campaign starts today. Campaigns are almost exclusively fought in the media, so can be easily ignored. |
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