By-elections - October 13th

[Sibboleth]

Like most hangovers from ancient local government they ceased to have any administrative function by the end of the 19th century.

[Deleted]

But they still exist like Wapentakes? Strange how endurable some local names are!

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Oct 13, 2016 22:25:45 GMT @williamhone1780 said:

But they still exist like Wapentakes? Strange how endurable some local names are!

They 'still exist' in the sense that it's possible to trace where their boundaries are. But as nothing at all turns on which hundred, or lathe, or rape, or wapentake you are in, this existence is on a fairly theoretical plane.

[Adam in Stroud]

Oct 13, 2016 22:04:05 GMT Robert Waller said:

I believe a rape is a group of hundreds, rather like a wapentake - but a rape is southern, particularly Sussex.

I shall no doubt be corrected by Adam!

Don't bet on it. East Anglian Lefty may be sharper.  But as far as I remember the Sussex rape and Kentish lathe are, like the wapentake, alternative names for the hundred, not groups of them.

Wapentakes are in Danelaw shires: Hundreds in West Saxon/Mercian ones.  Kent and Sussex were apparently just a bit localist and stuck to their own divisions.

[timmullen1]

Labour HOLD Westgate, Lancaster

[Deleted]

Fair enough, but it would be nice to see some old terms being used again, more interesting than "Unitary Authority" or "District" I think.

[Sibboleth]

Oct 13, 2016 22:27:50 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Oct 13, 2016 22:25:45 GMT @williamhone1780 said:

But they still exist like Wapentakes? Strange how endurable some local names are!

They 'still exist' in the sense that it's possible to trace where their boundaries are. But as nothing at all turns on which hundred, or lathe, or rape, or wapentake you are in, this existence is on a fairly theoretical plane.

Or liberties even!

[Deleted]

Our liberties have been taken away.....

[Harry Hayfield]

Oct 13, 2016 22:32:40 GMT @williamhone1780 said:

Fair enough, but it would be nice to see some old terms being used again, more interesting than "Unitary Authority" or "District" I think.

When Ceredigion became unitary in 1995, there were two votes taken on day one. The first vote was to change the name from Cardiganshire to Ceredigion and the second vote was to call themselves COUNTY

[Deleted]

Interesting, did any others change their names?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

LEWISHAM Brockley

Labour hold

[maxque]

Lab hold in Brockley, Lewisham by a 559 vote majority.

[Sibboleth]

Oct 13, 2016 22:48:30 GMT @williamhone1780 said:

Interesting, did any others change their names?

Gwynedd was originally to be called Caernarfonshire & Merionethshire. More accurate in many respects but a mouthful.

[Old Fashioned Leftie]

Brockley (Lewisham) result: Lab Hold
LAB: 48.0% (+8.1)
GRN: 25.4% (-3.6)
LDEM: 10.4% (+5.0)
CON: 7.9% (+0.3)
WEP: 7.0% (+7.0)
UKIP: 1.3% (-3.7)

[maxque]

Brockley, Lewisham

Lab 1190 (48.0%; +9.5)
Grn 631 (25.4%; -2.6)
LD 259 (10.4%; +5.2)
Con 195 (7.9%; +0.6)
WEP 173 (7.0%)
UKIP 33 (1.3%; -3.6)

[maxque]

LD hold in Windermere, Cumbria.

[Old Fashioned Leftie]

Evelyn (Lewisham) result: Lab Hold
LAB: 53.4% (-)
PBP: 16.3% (-1.7)
CON: 9.5% (+9.5)
IND: 9.0% (+9.0)
GRN: 6.2% (-8.9)
LDEM: 5.6% (-3.4)

[Deleted]

Oct 13, 2016 22:43:37 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

Oct 13, 2016 22:32:40 GMT @williamhone1780 said:

Fair enough, but it would be nice to see some old terms being used again, more interesting than "Unitary Authority" or "District" I think.

When Ceredigion became unitary in 1995, there were two votes taken on day one. The first vote was to change the name from Cardiganshire to Ceredigion and the second vote was to call themselves COUNTY

Wasn't there a Welsh name for country, something like Cantref do they ever use that?

[maxque]

Labour hold in Evelyn, Lewisham

Lab 1028 (53.4%; 0.0)
LPBP 314 (16.3%; -1.7)
Con 183 (9.5%)
Ind 173 (9.0%)
Grn 119 (6.2%; -8.9)
LD 107 (5.6%; -3.3)

[Sibboleth]

Cantrefi covered much smaller swathes of territory than counties; closer to hundreds really.