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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 4, 2016 18:03:56 GMT
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Post by neilm on Dec 4, 2016 20:20:49 GMT
They can count and get to a definitive result in two hours? Impressive.
Also, why aren't the 1947 (?) regions being abolished? Surely reform needs to be wholesale and bit piecemeal?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:22:35 GMT
Looks like turnout in the north is a lot higher than the south. Renzi to defy the polls as well?
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Post by Foggy on Dec 4, 2016 20:36:27 GMT
I'm a democrat before I'm a free-marketer, and I'm a democrat before I'm a liberal - therefore no free-market measure, nor any liberal measure, will ever be able to trump democracy in my vote. I also don't base my vote on how people I dislike are voting. I accept that you are a democrat. I do not accept that Italy will cease to be a democracy if there is a 'Yes' vote today. Granted, the new electoral system for the lower house is awful but that is not a constitutional matter, so it's not on the ballot paper this time. Dragging the Weimar Republic into the argument is a strange one. You won't be able to walk out of the Italian Parliament to force a new election. It ignores that Italy's experience of falling to fascism was rather different from that of Germany. The First Republic was just as unstable as inter-war Germany in terms of changes of governing coalition, but never threatened to return to either political extreme. They can count and get to a definitive result in two hours? Impressive. Also, why aren't the 1947 (?) regions being abolished? Surely reform needs to be wholesale and bit piecemeal? The regions were mentioned in the post-war Constitution, but internal borders weren't settled until 1963 and regional elections were first held in 1970 (the same year many southerners began to feel more 'Italian' due to the success of the Azzurri in reaching the final of Mexico '70). Three quarters of regions still don't have much power. I think it's far more important to abolish the 100+ provinces, which is what is being proposed. Italy is a country of over 60 million people. It's right that there is some decentralisation and autonomy, rather than no layer of government at all between the nation and municipalities. |
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Post by Foggy on Dec 4, 2016 22:02:47 GMT
Exit poll 54-58% No.  Live coverage here. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 4, 2016 22:03:08 GMT
EMG's exit poll gives Yes 41-45%, No 55-59%
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 22:10:49 GMT
Looks like turnout in the north is a lot higher than the south. Renzi to defy the polls as well? No, judging by the exit polls... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 4, 2016 22:12:51 GMT
Exit polls in Italy are not to be relied on, but it would be a major upset (like more than Trump actually) if YES won the referendum.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 4, 2016 22:14:09 GMT
And so the farce of Italian politics continues. What a tragic waste of a country's potential, repeatedly.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 4, 2016 22:14:32 GMT
But, again, please ignore all the lazy narratives. This is not about THE PEOPLE versus THE ESTABLISHMENT/THE LIBERAL ELITE, thnx. Large parts of the political establishment actually backed the No campaign, etc.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 4, 2016 22:19:41 GMT
And so the farce of Italian politics continues. What a tragic waste of a country's potential, repeatedly. Since about the Visi-Goths! |
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Post by pomofaced on Dec 4, 2016 22:30:21 GMT
Exit polls in Italy are not to be relied on, but it would be a major upset (like more than Trump actually) if YES won the referendum. I suspect you are probably bang on the money with that. So what effect will that have on the money markets tomorrow? A fall in the Euro might be on the cards, particularly if resignations follow the result and the potential for Italy to leave the Euro hardens. Euro is down but doing fine as I type. Its been priced in, last few months its been dropping so no cliff fall tonight. As I type 22:30 |
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Post by independentukip on Dec 4, 2016 22:30:49 GMT
Not much austerity apparent at RAI.
Rai 1, Rai 3 and Rai News each have separate live programmes on the Referendum result. I expect, however, the viewers prefer the sports discussion show on Rai 2.
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Post by pomofaced on Dec 4, 2016 22:31:18 GMT
Fine as in an expected bearish market.
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Post by independentukip on Dec 4, 2016 22:32:42 GMT
Exit polls showing increasing lead for No - 57-61 vs. 39-43.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 4, 2016 22:33:40 GMT
Look... as an experienced watcher of Italian elections... wait until they're well into the actual counting. Either way...
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 4, 2016 22:36:36 GMT
Not much austerity apparent at RAI. Rai 1, Rai 3 and Rai News each have separate live programmes on the Referendum result. I expect, however, the viewers prefer the sports discussion show on Rai 2. This is the sort of coverage that this forum demands for UK elections.  damned if they do , and damned if they don't.... You're almost certainly right about the sports show though.... |
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Post by andrea on Dec 4, 2016 22:41:14 GMT
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Post by AdminSTB on Dec 4, 2016 22:42:29 GMT
Exit poll 54-58% No. Live coverage here. Forse andrea potrebbe tradurre quello che stanno dicendo.  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 4, 2016 22:57:37 GMT
Bolzano looks like the strongest for Si
Austrians getting on my tits tonight.. (no offence Georg)
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damned if they do , and damned if they don't.... You're almost certainly right about the sports show though....
