Forthcoming BBC Parliament Election Replays

[timmullen1]

Oct 17, 2020 8:36:41 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Oct 16, 2020 13:16:42 GMT timmullen1 said:

Great but Alastair Burnet repeatedly showing us his expensive watch and trying to tell Bob Mackenzie that coalition governments didn’t work in the numerous countries that had them 😕

A lot of people have said about his role in the BBC broadcasts that he wasn't up to the presenters before and after-maybe when he went back to ITN he picked up again

I’ve only watched him with the benefit of hindsight and YouTube (my dad was a bit of an anti-ITV snob) and I’m just struck by his really obvious bias.

[pragmaticidealist]

Oct 17, 2020 10:01:11 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 17, 2020 8:36:41 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

A lot of people have said about his role in the BBC broadcasts that he wasn't up to the presenters before and after-maybe when he went back to ITN he picked up again

I’ve only watched him with the benefit of hindsight and YouTube (my dad was a bit of an anti-ITV snob) and I’m just struck by his really obvious bias.

He did provide a gem where they showed a nasty spat between Jimmy Reid and Labour at the Dunbartonshire Central count. The camera cut back to the studio and he remarked "a slight difference of opinion there."

[timmullen1]

Oct 17, 2020 10:14:15 GMT pragmaticidealist said:

Oct 17, 2020 10:01:11 GMT timmullen1 said:

I’ve only watched him with the benefit of hindsight and YouTube (my dad was a bit of an anti-ITV snob) and I’m just struck by his really obvious bias.

He did provide a gem where they showed a nasty spat between Jimmy Reid and Labour at the Dunbartonshire Central count. The camera cut back to the studio and he remarked "a slight difference of opinion there."

My sadly late next door neighbour who was an ITV watcher, and also a passionate Labour supporter, did phone us in the early hours during the 1983 coverage to rant that Burnet had greeted a Conservative gain with “and we’ve won another”; my mum and dad, who had conceded defeat and gone to bed, were, shall we say, unimpressed.

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 17, 2020 10:27:37 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 17, 2020 10:14:15 GMT pragmaticidealist said:

He did provide a gem where they showed a nasty spat between Jimmy Reid and Labour at the Dunbartonshire Central count. The camera cut back to the studio and he remarked "a slight difference of opinion there."

My sadly late next door neighbour who was an ITV watcher, and also a passionate Labour supporter, did phone us in the early hours during the 1983 coverage to rant that Burnet had greeted a Conservative gain with “and we’ve won another”; my mum and dad, who had conceded defeat and gone to bed, were, shall we say, unimpressed.

he was a more liberal Tory wasnt he? though I think I read somewhere he went Alliance in one of the 80s general elections

[timmullen1]

Oct 17, 2020 13:14:07 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Oct 17, 2020 10:27:37 GMT timmullen1 said:

My sadly late next door neighbour who was an ITV watcher, and also a passionate Labour supporter, did phone us in the early hours during the 1983 coverage to rant that Burnet had greeted a Conservative gain with “and we’ve won another”; my mum and dad, who had conceded defeat and gone to bed, were, shall we say, unimpressed.

he was a more liberal Tory wasnt he? though I think I read somewhere he went Alliance in one of the 80s general elections

I’m honestly not sure, as I said we were very much a BBC house when my dad was alive, but I’m sure the “we’ve won another” comment was ‘83 as dad died the year after.

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 17, 2020 13:27:20 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 17, 2020 13:14:07 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

he was a more liberal Tory wasnt he? though I think I read somewhere he went Alliance in one of the 80s general elections

I’m honestly not sure, as I said we were very much a BBC house when my dad was alive, but I’m sure the “we’ve won another” comment was ‘83 as dad died the year after.

In the Radio Times a few weeks after the Oct 74 election a reader wrote in to say the first hour or 2 resembled alice in wonderland as Burnet tried to support the landslide prediction but maybe that was more as it was a prediction from his own side rather than wanting Lab to win!

[nodealbrexiteer]

Will we be getting a Harry Hayfield tweeting exercise for these repeats?

[Harry Hayfield]

Oct 19, 2020 12:31:06 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Will we be getting a Harry Hayfield tweeting exercise for these repeats?

You most certainly will, I am compiling the Conservative / Labour battlegrounds, the Liberal target list and because of what happens in Scotland, an SNP target list.

Update: I have just finished correcting the 1970 notionals based on the information published here and the totals for Great Britain (not Northern Ireland for obvious reasons) are:

Conservatives 12,744,054 votes (46.18%) winning 337 seats
Labour 12,124,750 votes (43.94%) winning 279 seats
Liberals 2,111,903 votes (7.65%) winning 5 seats
Scottish National Party 309,100 votes (1.12%) winning 1 seat
Plaid Cymru 174,928 votes (0.63%) winning 0 seats
Other Parties 130,381 votes (0.47%) winning 1 seat
Conservative lead of 619,304 votes (2.24%) with an overall majority of 39

[Harry Hayfield]

I have now compiled a Con / Lab battleground (40 Con targets, 40 Lab targets) and based on the polling during the 1974 campaign a Liberal battleground (5 Liberal defences and 25 Liberal targets) and using the eve of poll polls as a forecasting method come up with Con 334, Lab 261, Lib 24, Plaid 2, SNP 1, Others 1 (in Great Britain), however I do not have access to polling from Scotland between 1970 - 1974 and therefore would like to know if anyone can lay their hands on some to establish whether an SNP battleground (and smaller Plaid battleground) is feasible?

[nodealbrexiteer]

Does anyone have a link please to the 1997 bbC documentary swing Time which has a short clip of Robert McKenzie at the start of the October 1974 broadcast which is missing from the repeat(or was the last time it was shown), he is discussing the faulty exit polls.Thanks.

[timmullen1]

Oct 25, 2020 14:32:44 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Does anyone have a link please to the 1997 bbC documentary swing Time which has a short clip of Robert McKenzie at the start of the October 1974 broadcast which is missing from the repeat(or was the last time it was shown), he is discussing the faulty exit polls.Thanks.

Would this be it?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Don't think so. It was an hour-long documentary. I haven't uploaded it on my Youtube because it was already there, but it seems to have gone.

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 25, 2020 15:26:55 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 25, 2020 14:32:44 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Does anyone have a link please to the 1997 bbC documentary swing Time which has a short clip of Robert McKenzie at the start of the October 1974 broadcast which is missing from the repeat(or was the last time it was shown), he is discussing the faulty exit polls.Thanks.

Would this be it?

thanks but it isn't I'm afraid.

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 25, 2020 15:31:24 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Don't think so. It was an hour-long documentary. I haven't uploaded it on my Youtube because it was already there, but it seems to have gone.

Thanks for looking into it anyway

[timmullen1]

Oct 25, 2020 15:38:21 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Oct 25, 2020 15:31:24 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Don't think so. It was an hour-long documentary. I haven't uploaded it on my Youtube because it was already there, but it seems to have gone.

Thanks for looking into it anyway

This?

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 25, 2020 15:45:24 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 25, 2020 15:38:21 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Thanks for looking into it anyway

This?

Thanks again but it isn't it either. It was a nice sequel though 

[timmullen1]

Oct 25, 2020 15:47:50 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Oct 25, 2020 15:45:24 GMT timmullen1 said:

This?

Thanks again but it isn't it either. It was a nice sequel though 

Note to Davıd Boothroyd - in future upload things anyway, you never know when they’ll vanish into the mists of YouTube 😉

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Tell me about it.

In 1996-97, Gordon Brown and the Shadow Treasury team agreed to have an STV team make a fly on the wall documentary. The team stayed with them as they came into office. STV turned the resulting footage into two hour-long documentaries, one called "We are the Treasury" covering the early months in office. The earlier period, ending with the point at which the Shadow Treasury team moved into office, they naturally called "Out of the Shadows". It was one of the first programmes I uploaded because people had been asking for it all through Ed Miliband's leadership - he features prominently.

And you can no longer see it on Youtube because, as their email to me said: "Our team has reviewed your content, and, unfortunately, we think it violates our harassment, threats and cyberbullying policy. We've removed the following content from YouTube: Video: Out of the Shadows"

Why would they do that? After five years unobjectionable presence? Harassment, threats and cyberbullying? Well I wonder if it has anything to do with a documentary released in April 2020 under the title 'Out of Shadows' which makes ludicrous and easily refuted claims about Hollywood. Youtube has been removing and banning people who upload it. Now it's perfectly obvious that the two are not the same and just happen to share a title (minus 'the'). But appeals have been turned down.

I'm planning to reupload under a different title and see if they notice.

[nodealbrexiteer]

Oct 25, 2020 15:49:57 GMT timmullen1 said:

Oct 25, 2020 15:47:50 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Thanks again but it isn't it either. It was a nice sequel though 

Note to Davıd Boothroyd - in future upload things anyway, you never know when they’ll vanish into the mists of YouTube 😉

seconded

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Oct 25, 2020 14:32:44 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Does anyone have a link please to the 1997 bbC documentary swing Time which has a short clip of Robert McKenzie at the start of the October 1974 broadcast which is missing from the repeat(or was the last time it was shown), he is discussing the faulty exit polls.Thanks.

I just uploaded it, but have been met with an immediate copyright block courtesy of Monty Python - it includes part of the 'Election Night Special' sketch. So that's probably the explanation for why the other one was removed. A quick edit will remove the copyrighted section.