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Post by iain on Sept 9, 2016 8:15:40 GMT
Sounds like rubbish advice. For example in this seat we had a foundation to build from.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 9, 2016 8:32:37 GMT
This is what Momentum in Sheffield were doing at 8.30 last night
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Post by ColinJ on Sept 9, 2016 8:51:26 GMT
This is what Momentum in Sheffield were doing at 8.30 last night Yeah, Momentum couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery ..... oh, wait a minute.... |
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Post by iain on Sept 9, 2016 9:01:13 GMT
According to Mike Smithson, the Mosborough result means that Labour have fewer elected representatives than when Corbyn took charge.
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Post by neilm on Sept 9, 2016 10:05:33 GMT
The Lib Dem candidate was the only one to live in the ward. The Labour candidate was from Stocksbridge where she is a town councillor - that rang alarm bells as soon as I saw the SOPN. Also, the LibDem candidate used to be the local councillor and has spent the last few years since losing her seat campaiging to get it back, so has kept up visibility. When your sitting councillor dies it's difficult for your candidate to have previously been campaigning locally. Also, the ex-Derbyshire south-east tends to get a bit sniffy with Labour sending outsiders in. When Dot Walton was deselected after being the local councillor since before the 1968 annexation she moved to the LibDems and took quite a bit of support with her. At her funeral it was noticable that the Mosborough Labour members were more chatty with the LibDems than with the City Labour people. Stocksbridge (and Chapeltown/HighGreen) also has a bit of a feeling that Sheffield runs them from afar, so it surprises me that they picked a candidate from there. They feel pretty remote in Burncross etc too. West Ecclesfield is surely ripe for targeting. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Sept 9, 2016 10:12:00 GMT
Sounds like rubbish advice. For example in this seat we had a foundation to build from. LOL - I wouldn't expect you to say anything different. Whether they took my advice or not however is very hard to say... it may have been necessity rather than tactics that they seemed to follow it... |
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Post by Pimpernal on Sept 9, 2016 10:14:03 GMT
MAIDSTONE Shepway South John Barned (UKIP) 432 Bob Hinder (The Conservative Party Candidate) 215 Dan Wilkinson (Labour Party) 183 Jon Hicks (Independent) 88 Milden Choongo (Liberal Democrat) 31 If I read this right: Not sure, but I think this puts us on 3 UKIP Cllrs in Maidstone, as we also gained an Independent Cllr who joined us yesterday as well. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2016 10:18:56 GMT
Just checked on a map for the respective locations of Mosborough and Stocksbridge. My response can only be summarised as "LOL WUT"  Was there really nobody else more suitable for Labour?? |
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Post by jollyroger93 on Sept 9, 2016 10:21:29 GMT
So good result for the lib dems. There doing what they need to and that's rebuild from the ground up, and a good result for UKIP in holding their seat as well.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2016 10:27:10 GMT
Interesting night for everybody.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2016 10:39:36 GMT
This is what Momentum in Sheffield were doing at 8.30 last night I don't join the more general moral panic about Momentum (at least, I don't think they are any more or less problematic than Progress) but the only thing to say about this is - dickheads. At the minimum, did nobody involved in that have the slightest idea of how it would be percieved?? A gigantic own goal. |
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 9, 2016 11:00:55 GMT
Have to question whether Labour can continue as one party, looking at social media it appears in Sheffield they lost because their candidate was anti-corbyn.
Does this mean pro corbyn supporters will only campaign and vote for pro corbyn candidates and visa versa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 11:11:46 GMT
This is what Momentum in Sheffield were doing at 8.30 last night Too many tweets... |
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Post by hedgehog on Sept 9, 2016 11:12:27 GMT
Interesting night for everybody. Apart for us Greens. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2016 11:25:26 GMT
Have to question whether Labour can continue as one party, looking at social media it appears in Sheffield they lost because their candidate was anti-corbyn. Does this mean pro corbyn supporters will only campaign and vote for pro corbyn candidates and visa versa. Though that has not, happily, been the case in the large majority of recent contests. Hopefully things will stay that way. |
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 9, 2016 11:39:32 GMT
Interesting difference between the results in Kinson & Shepway - not too dissimilar demographically, and both places Labour would have won comfortably in past years. In Kinson Labour advanced substantially at UKIP's expense. In Shepway UKIP consolidated their hold. Kent does seem to be going its own way, not for the first time in recent years.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2016 11:40:57 GMT
Kent and (to only a slighter lesser degree) Essex do seem to be clear exceptions to the general recent UKIP retreat.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 9, 2016 12:28:40 GMT
This is what Momentum in Sheffield were doing at 8.30 last night Ha ha ha! |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 9, 2016 13:21:06 GMT
Though of course Barrow is now more unpredictable than ever because of the Trident thing being so salient. There have been a couple of previous by-elections there since the GE - one good for Labour, the other less so. and your top tip for this one? *slides imaginary fiver across virtual table* Didn't want to tempt fate earlier, but I was expecting a result roughly along the lines of what transpired - Tories thought they could win this and put some work into it. This ward actually has an interesting history - it was created for the 1979 elections (after which Barrow switched to elections by thirds) and proved remarkably elusive for Labour until a final breakthrough in a byelection at the beginning of 1994. It also saw only the second ever councillor elected in Barrow BC for the LibDems (and their previous incarnations) in the 2008 all-out elections (when Independents topped the poll here, but their bubble soon burst) Also a poor showing by UKIP in a borough where they have performed decently recently. Apparently a paper candidate - but not long ago, even they did better than that. |
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Post by casualobserver on Sept 9, 2016 13:58:45 GMT
Agree with your analysis Bish ... Barrow had the clear potential to go pear-shaped for Labour but didn't. UKIP's extremely poor performance was surprising and cannot be explained away by a poor or non-existent campaign as they've won plenty of Council seats before with poor or non-existent campaigns.
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