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Post by neilm on Sept 6, 2016 23:31:01 GMT
The wards were numbered, rather than named? I've seen this on a few election results tables, where some wards weren't even assigned a name, or otherwise just given a bland name such as "Aled Rural" or "Abergele Rural" (which I've seen for a couple of old Welsh authorities). Lots of English county divisions are like that. |
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 9, 2016 17:06:34 GMT
Is there a list of councils that have changed their electoral cycle since 1974?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 18:52:50 GMT
Is there any consistent difference in the use of the term referendum and plebiscite, or are they de facto synonymous, just with the different preferences in different countries?
Please note: I am not asking whether you think the terms should be used in different ways, but whether they are (and I know the etymology and history of the terms, so no need to repeat that).
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2016 23:09:32 GMT
I have always regarded a Plebiscite to be superior to a Referendum in that it is intended to bind the authorities to enact the result whereas a Referendum does not have that implied imperative.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 10, 2016 0:53:58 GMT
A plebiscite is what you call a referendum when it has been called by a regime that you do not approve of.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 11, 2016 21:11:58 GMT
A plebiscite is what you call a referendum when it has been called by a regime that you do not approve of. Any referendum instigated by the Swiss People's Party seems to be labelled as a plebiscite for the same reason. |
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 11, 2016 21:31:07 GMT
Some wards had a 103% turnout there  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 15, 2016 22:42:04 GMT
A query on German politics, maybe Messrs Georg Ebner or iainbhx might involve themselves? Which states have had a Minister-President or equivalent since the war who have not been CDU/CSU or SPD? Early ones I've spotted (not including any SED appointments to Bezirke) are: 1946-1952: the old Wuerttemburg- Baden Land had a FDP leader. 1955-1959: Lower Saxony, German Party. 1947: NRW, Zentrum 1979: Saarland, FDP (acting) Current Winfried Kretschmann- B-W, Greens/B90. Bodo Ramelow- Thuringia, Die Linke Reinhold Maier (W-B, FDP) and Kretschmann are the only two Bundesrat presidents not to have been from SPD or Die Union. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 15, 2016 23:58:26 GMT
Them, the Americans, the Germans... At least the Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders know how to name their parliamentary constituencies properly. Wahlkreis have names actually... though they often incorporate numbers into their names. And the names are often just a string of local government districts covered, e.g. Frank-Walter Steinmeier holds the seat of Brandenburg an der Havel-Potsdam-Mittelmark I-Havelland III-Teltow Fläming I. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 16, 2016 10:33:26 GMT
Them, the Americans, the Germans... At least the Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders know how to name their parliamentary constituencies properly. Wahlkreis have names actually... though they often incorporate numbers into their names. And the names are often just a string of local government districts covered, e.g. Frank-Walter Steinmeier holds the seat of Brandenburg an der Havel-Potsdam-Mittelmark I-Havelland III-Teltow Fläming I. shh.. you're going to give doktorb ideas |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 16, 2016 11:01:16 GMT
Wahlkreis have names actually... though they often incorporate numbers into their names. And the names are often just a string of local government districts covered, e.g. Frank-Walter Steinmeier holds the seat of Brandenburg an der Havel-Potsdam-Mittelmark I-Havelland III-Teltow Fläming I. shh.. you're going to give doktorb ideas Wait till he sees the names of some Canadian Ridings. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 16, 2016 19:35:51 GMT
A query on German politics, maybe Messrs Georg Ebner or iainbhx might involve themselves? Which states have had a Minister-President or equivalent since the war who have not been CDU/CSU or SPD? Early ones I've spotted (not including any SED appointments to Bezirke) are: 1946-1952: the old Wuerttemburg- Baden Land had a FDP leader. 1955-1959: Lower Saxony, German Party. 1947: NRW, Zentrum 1979: Saarland, FDP (acting) Current Winfried Kretschmann- B-W, Greens/B90. Bodo Ramelow- Thuringia, Die Linke Reinhold Maier (W-B, FDP) and Kretschmann are the only two Bundesrat presidents not to have been from SPD or Die Union. Oldenburg 1945/6 Tantzen FDP SachsenAnhalt 1946-9 Huebener LDP (dependent on the Communists, of course) Independents after 1945: Berlin (1945-7 Werner), Bremen (1945 Vagts), Hessen (1945-7 Geiler); Thueringen (1945-7 Paul) 1955/6: Saarland (Welsch) 1945 InDependents or regional CD-parties, later joining CDU/CSU: Baden (Wohleb [BCSV]), Bavaria (Schäffer), Hamburg (Petersen), Saarland (Müller, Hoffmann [CVP]), |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 17, 2016 2:15:54 GMT
Has this forum ever concerned itself with Manx elections?
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Post by maxque on Sept 17, 2016 2:22:19 GMT
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Post by john07 on Sept 20, 2016 23:30:47 GMT
My lowest was for a Stockport MDC by-election for Hazel Grove (Norbury/Torkington) Ward in 1976.
It was a very low turnout and I was caught in a two party squeeze. I think I got around 250 votes (or was it 175?).
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Post by Foggy on Sept 21, 2016 0:18:22 GMT
Is there any consistent difference in the use of the term referendum and plebiscite, or are they de facto synonymous, just with the different preferences in different countries? In Australia, there definitely appears to be a distinction. A referendum is a public vote called to approve or reject an amendment to the Constitution. A plebiscite is an advisory (and non-compulsory, which is unusual Down Under) poll on a non-Constitutional matter. It is my understanding that the only ever example of the latter at the federal level was the national anthem plebiscite in 1977, which was in any case not a 'Yes' or 'No' question. Current PM Malcolm Turnbull's planned plebiscite on marriage equality will be the second if it ever goes ahead. I don't think there is a consistent naming convention across Canadian jurisdictions and official languages, particularly in remote areas (compare 'Vuntut Gwitchin' and 'Duplessis', for example – the latter does follow the template from Aus), let alone a general agreement with Aussie and Kiwi practices. We are not talking about Yorkshire, so you need a lower case 'r' here. West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country is a particular favourite of mine. Note the em-dashes (never en-dashes or hyphens) and lack of space in between the constituent parts, and that West Vancouver is not the same as 'Vancouver West'. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Sept 21, 2016 12:09:51 GMT
I don't think there is a consistent naming convention across Canadian jurisdictions and official languages, particularly in remote areas (compare 'Vuntut Gwitchin' and 'Duplessis', for example – the latter does follow the template from Aus), let alone a general agreement with Aussie and Kiwi practices. I was referring more to the fact that the aformentioned nations don't name their parliamentary constituencies along the lines of "<Name of region/province>'s 1st/2nd/3rd/etc electoral district", like they do in the United States, which feels like a very cold and impersonal way of naming them if you ask me. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 13:03:08 GMT
Is there any consistent difference in the use of the term referendum and plebiscite, or are they de facto synonymous, just with the different preferences in different countries? In Australia, there definitely appears to be a distinction. A referendum is a public vote called to approve or reject an amendment to the Constitution. A plebiscite is an advisory (and non-compulsory, which is unusual Down Under) poll on a non-Constitutional matter. It is my understanding that the only ever example of the latter at the federal level was the national anthem plebiscite in 1977, which was in any case not a 'Yes' or 'No' question. Current PM Malcolm Turnbull's planned plebiscite on marriage equality will be the second if it ever goes ahead. There were also two plebiscites on introducing conscription for overseas service during WW1, in 1916 and 1917. Both times the proposal was defeated, by 48-52 and 46-54 respectively. |
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Post by Foggy on Sept 21, 2016 17:23:50 GMT
I don't think there is a consistent naming convention across Canadian jurisdictions and official languages, particularly in remote areas (compare 'Vuntut Gwitchin' and 'Duplessis', for example – the latter does follow the template from Aus), let alone a general agreement with Aussie and Kiwi practices. I was referring more to the fact that the afor[e]mentioned nations don't name their parliamentary constituencies along the lines of "<Name of region/province>'s 1st/2nd/3rd/etc electoral district", like they do in the United States, which feels like a very cold and impersonal way of naming them if you ask me. Ah, gotcha now. In that case I totally agree, although the Australian system can still be confusing in terms of geographical location of seats. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the additional information.  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 24, 2016 13:59:09 GMT
New Liberals
Looking at the 1964 London borough results and there are a crop of New Liberal candidates in Islington (primarily in the Eastern and Southern wards) often standing against 'official' Liberal candidates. Had a look at the general election results for 1964 and indeed an AE Lomas was a New Liberal candidate in Islington East then, securing a not negligible 2,000 votes
Anything more known ?
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