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Post by Kristofer Keane on Aug 15, 2016 13:05:33 GMT
Thanks for the response Kris. I had always thought of them to be central to this Forum and not just a link out of it and quite separate. I have missed them and thus my various prompts over recent months. I look forward to your attention as and when. Meantime enjoy your break. I hope you use recuperation loosely and there is no medical problem of which I am unaware? No medical problems or anything, just tired. I work a full time job with a long commute on top of all my little projects. It's just nice to have a day off work and just chill out rather than type up election results. Speaking of which, I'm off to the pub.  |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 15, 2016 17:49:53 GMT
Thank you. So that are not available at all now? In effect separate private property? They're still available at www.englishelections.org.uk www.scottishelections.org.uk etc. But they are massively out of date at the moment. I intend to work on them again, but I'm just taking a total psephology break at the moment til I feel fully recuperated. This is something which I have been wondering about, but I am not tech-savvy enough to know: would it be possible or practical for someone else to go through all the backlog and archives of by-election results, type them up with all the necessary tags or coding or square brackets or whatever, and then email them to you as a big block of plain text? I don't know how easy it would be for you to update all the missing bits on your website in one go, or whether it has to be done laboriously in lots of little bits? Unfortunately I don't know enough about how to do it myself, but somebody else might. |
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 15, 2016 18:40:32 GMT
This is something which I have been wondering about, but I am not tech-savvy enough to know: would it be possible or practical for someone else to go through all the backlog and archives of by-election results, type them up with all the necessary tags or coding or square brackets or whatever, and then email them to you as a big block of plain text? I don't know how easy it would be for you to update all the missing bits on your website in one go, or whether it has to be done laboriously in lots of little bits? Unfortunately I don't know enough about how to do it myself, but somebody else might. I can't speak for how Kris set up his sites, but LEAP is pretty laborious to do. Conceptually it's the same sort of way as this forum works - all the results go into a database from which the LEAP server puts the pages together. The difficult bits are (a) associating each result to each ward (this is essentially a coding exercise, but there are almost 15,000 wards known to LEAP so making all the codes match up is not trivial) (b) ensuring accuracy (I check all the results against the relevant council website) (c) sorting the maps out, because all the LEAP maps are hand-drawn (it's actually quite soothing, my version of all those colouring books for adults you see these days). The other thing I do is not worry about being out of date. LEAP is not up to date. LEAP will never be up to date. LEAP is a perpetual work in progress. There are slightly over 400 councils in Great Britain, there are slightly over 200 weeks in an electoral cycle, so I aim to do slightly over two councils a week and do them to the highest quality in order to ensure that I look at every council once in each electoral cycle. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 15, 2016 19:11:55 GMT
Does anyone happen to know where one might find old electoral ward maps for local authorities? Finding up to date maps is no problem, but I'd quite like to know what the boundaries looked like in the past. Specifically, I'm after maps for Conwy County wards (as used before 1999), and also ward maps for the old Aberconwy district council; if any pre-1996 maps for Gwynedd county could also be found, or if anyone could tell me where and how to find them, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 15, 2016 20:08:58 GMT
Does anyone happen to know where one might find old electoral ward maps for local authorities? Finding up to date maps is no problem, but I'd quite like to know what the boundaries looked like in the past. Specifically, I'm after maps for Conwy County wards (as used before 1999), and also ward maps for the old Aberconwy district council; if any pre-1996 maps for Gwynedd county could also be found, or if anyone could tell me where and how to find them, I'd greatly appreciate it. Sadly the Local Democracy and Boundary Commission for Wales archive does not include the full reports for the reviews which took place between 1996 and 2001 (http://ldbc.gov.wales/reviews/electoralreviews/prevviews/?lang=en). However it may be that you can find the maps by hunting round on the archived site from the Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales: web.archive.org/web/20030522113931/http://www.lgbc-wales.gov.uk/index.htmlFor pre-1996 maps, sounds like you want the Fourth Periodical Report of the Parliamentary Boundary Commission for Wales (HC 195 1994-95) which shows the ward boundaries of the Welsh districts immediately before the local government reforms of 1995. While the report itself is online (http://gov.wales/docs/bcw/publications/general/130122bcw4thperiodical1995ocren.pdf) |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 15, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
Does anyone happen to know where one might find old electoral ward maps for local authorities? Finding up to date maps is no problem, but I'd quite like to know what the boundaries looked like in the past. Specifically, I'm after maps for Conwy County wards (as used before 1999), and also ward maps for the old Aberconwy district council; if any pre-1996 maps for Gwynedd county could also be found, or if anyone could tell me where and how to find them, I'd greatly appreciate it. Sadly the Local Democracy and Boundary Commission for Wales archive does not include the full reports for the reviews which took place between 1996 and 2001 (http://ldbc.gov.wales/reviews/electoralreviews/prevviews/?lang=en). However it may be that you can find the maps by hunting round on the archived site from the Local Government Boundary Commission for Wales: web.archive.org/web/20030522113931/http://www.lgbc-wales.gov.uk/index.htmlFor pre-1996 maps, sounds like you want the Fourth Periodical Report of the Parliamentary Boundary Commission for Wales (HC 195 1994-95) which shows the ward boundaries of the Welsh districts immediately before the local government reforms of 1995. While the report itself is online (http://gov.wales/docs/bcw/publications/general/130122bcw4thperiodical1995ocren.pdf) Plenty of ward lists, but no maps from the desired areas in the desired time period, sadly. Perhaps a long shot, but I'm guessing that the local public libraries don't carry any of this sort of information? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 15, 2016 21:09:56 GMT
For pre-1996 maps, sounds like you want the Fourth Periodical Report of the Parliamentary Boundary Commission for Wales (HC 195 1994-95) which shows the ward boundaries of the Welsh districts immediately before the local government reforms of 1995. While the report itself is online (http://gov.wales/docs/bcw/publications/general/130122bcw4thperiodical1995ocren.pdf ) Plenty of ward lists, but no maps from the desired areas in the desired time period, sadly. Perhaps a long shot, but I'm guessing that the local public libraries don't carry any of this sort of information? The report when printed included a sleeve of maps, which weren't scanned in. I'm not sure where exactly is 'local' but you could check Worldcat. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 15, 2016 22:19:28 GMT
Plenty of ward lists, but no maps from the desired areas in the desired time period, sadly. Perhaps a long shot, but I'm guessing that the local public libraries don't carry any of this sort of information? The report when printed included a sleeve of maps, which weren't scanned in. I'm not sure where exactly is 'local' but you could check Worldcat. Well for me local would be anywhere in the Conwy Estuary/Colwyn Bay area, most likely Llandudno Public Library for me, though according to the information on the site linked the nearest library that stocks that item is the one at Bangor University, bit a problem as I'm not enrolled there. Still, might enquire at the Llandudno Library nonetheless (worth a gander). Thanks for your help anyway. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Aug 21, 2016 1:45:09 GMT
The report when printed included a sleeve of maps, which weren't scanned in. I'm not sure where exactly is 'local' but you could check Worldcat. Well for me local would be anywhere in the Conwy Estuary/Colwyn Bay area, most likely Llandudno Public Library for me, though according to the information on the site linked the nearest library that stocks that item is the one at Bangor University, bit a problem as I'm not enrolled there. Still, might enquire at the Llandudno Library nonetheless (worth a gander). Thanks for your help anyway. My uni lets the general public use its library - you can't take a book out but you're more than welcome to go during the day and use the library. Check with Bangor to see if they do the same. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Aug 23, 2016 16:39:20 GMT
What would members suggest is the best council website for providing election results information, ie. speed of publication, all results on one webpage, graphs, maps, old results et cetera?
If we ever get a Psephological Society officially up and running, it would be good to have a "model" council website, if you will, to point towards and ask "why don't you do what X Council does?"
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 23, 2016 17:11:48 GMT
What would members suggest is the best council website for providing election results information, ie. speed of publication, all results on one webpage, graphs, maps, old results et cetera? If we ever get a Psephological Society officially up and running, it would be good to have a "model" council website, if you will, to point towards and ask "why don't you do what X Council does?" I should have kept a record when I was collecting information for the local elections this year since I had to visit every one of them except for Pendle which didn't put them up for at least 3 days. I had to rely on the local newspaper which inevitably made some mistakes. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 23, 2016 17:18:15 GMT
My uni lets the general public use its library - you can't take a book out but you're more than welcome to go during the day and use the library. Check with Bangor to see if they do the same. The libraries at Bangor are open to the public during staffed hours. This sort of report would presumably be in the Shankland Reading Room in the Main Arts Library and if not then in the Stack (which, incidentally, is a lovely place to work and/or procrastinate) - also in Main Arts. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 23, 2016 17:56:29 GMT
My uni lets the general public use its library - you can't take a book out but you're more than welcome to go during the day and use the library. Check with Bangor to see if they do the same. The libraries at Bangor are open to the public during staffed hours. This sort of report would presumably be in the Shankland Reading Room in the Main Arts Library and if not then in the Stack (which, incidentally, is a lovely place to work and/or procrastinate) - also in Main Arts. I suppose if that's the case, it might be worth my efforts paying a visit to Bangor one of these days. A little bit out of my way, but close enough for a nice little daytrip. Do you need to be member of the University to withdraw items from there? Otherwise, would they let me photocopy things? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 23, 2016 18:24:58 GMT
Do you need to be member of the University to withdraw items from there? Otherwise, would they let me photocopy things? There are a couple of different schemes you can join that lets you borrow things if you don't have a uni card, info here: www.bangor.ac.uk/library/visitor/visitor.php.enPhotocopying used to work with a coin-based card system, but I think it's now credits loaded onto library cards (not sure: been a while since I've used the library photocopiers). Would assume you would be allowed to photocopy or take pictures in exchange for a small fee though; that's the normal practice in most libraries or archives. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Aug 23, 2016 18:43:43 GMT
What would members suggest is the best council website for providing election results information, ie. speed of publication, all results on one webpage, graphs, maps, old results et cetera? If we ever get a Psephological Society officially up and running, it would be good to have a "model" council website, if you will, to point towards and ask "why don't you do what X Council does?" I should have kept a record when I was collecting information for the local elections this year since I had to visit every one of them except for Pendle which didn't put them up for at least 3 days. I had to rely on the local newspaper which inevitably made some mistakes. Well, at least Pendle can be cited when we give examples on how a council website should not be run. |
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Post by ColinJ on Aug 25, 2016 13:24:14 GMT
I'm not sure where else to post this, nowhere else in the Forum seems suitable, but I do want to ask the Forum for advice and ideas. Tomorrow I will be 59 years old, and I am in the process of rewriting my will. Over the years I have accumulated a huge collection of books on politics, political history, elections and election results etc. I believe (perhaps erroneously) that it is a significant and valuable collection. Some of the items I am sure are quite rare, such as the Boundary Commission for England's 1945 report on the division of the abnormally large Constituencies named in the Second Schedule and the two volumes of Simon Fraser's Election Cases, printed in 1793. In an ideal situation the collection would not be split. I did consider leaving it to my alma mater - Queen Mary College - until the infamous incident several years ago when skips were parked outside the Octagon Library and volumes and rare books chucked in willy nilly. So no way will they get my bequest. So, what should I do? Thanks in anticipation for your helpful suggestions..... |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 25, 2016 17:32:03 GMT
I think you should leave it to whichever forum member lives physically closest to you
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 25, 2016 17:41:43 GMT
I think you should leave it to whichever forum member lives physically politically closest to you I think the Honourable gentleman might need to declare an interest.  and FTFY |
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Post by independentukip on Aug 25, 2016 22:18:33 GMT
I'm not sure if this is deemed a helpful suggestion but it is intended as such. The early material would likely be of great interest to www.johndruryrarebooks.com/ They are ABA and PBFA members. There is a PBFA dealer specialising in Socialism but the photo offered on their homepage does not inspire great confidence. www.leftontheshelfbooks.co.uk/ ABA dealers featuring politics amongst their varied specialties are one of the top London dealers, Bernard Quaritch www.quaritch.com/ and Temple Rare Books of Oxford www.templerarebooks.com/ Again I suspect their interest would lie in the early material. The exception would be manuscript material which in the right circumstance would elicit much wider interest. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 25, 2016 22:23:34 GMT
I'm not sure if this is deemed a helpful suggestion but it is intended as such. The early material would likely be of great interest to www.johndruryrarebooks.com/ They are ABA and PBFA members. There is a PBFA dealer specialising in Socialism but the photo offered on their homepage does not inspire great confidence. www.leftontheshelfbooks.co.uk/ ABA dealers featuring politics amongst their varied specialties are one of the top London dealers, Bernard Quaritch www.quaritch.com/ and Temple Rare Books of Oxford www.templerarebooks.com/ Again I suspect their interest would lie in the early material. The exception would be manuscript material which in the right circumstance would elicit much wider interest. I agree that the photo doesn't give a great impression but Left on the shelf are no better and no worse than most as far as customer service goes. Obvious bias in their material of course and not the cheapest, but certainly not a disaster. There's a place in York called Empire books who sell a lot of old parliamentary bills and the like. |
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