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Post by neilm on Sept 11, 2016 13:42:07 GMT
All three. In effect the 1983 boundary changes merged Walton and Kirkdale. The area suffered badly from job losses in heavy industry and the docks in the early 1980s recession. The Liverpool protestant working class vote for the Conservatives almost entirely disappeared after the 1970s. That coincided with the Conservatives using blue as their campaign colour rather than orange. Remember that Liverpool was the only City on the mainland to elect an Irish Nationalist MP. For the confusingly named Liverpool Scotland! Wasn't he unopposed at pretty much every election? |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 11, 2016 14:06:59 GMT
That coincided with the Conservatives using blue as their campaign colour rather than orange. Remember that Liverpool was the only City on the mainland to elect an Irish Nationalist MP. For the confusingly named Liverpool Scotland! Wasn't he unopposed at pretty much every election? Yes and No. He was opposed by an Independent Tory in 1885 and a Liberal Unionist in 1886. In 1892,1895,1900,1906 and both 1910 elections he had a Conservative opponent. He was unopposed in 1918,1922, 1923,1924 and 1929 before dying the same year with Logan being unopposed for Labour in the subsequent by-election. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 11, 2016 17:08:28 GMT
I would have said 15 years ago there were few non white faces in the city centre.
I still think many you see are likely to be students rather than the Liverpool black population.
It's still the case that you don't see many non white people working in the city centre.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 17:47:04 GMT
I would have said 15 years ago there were few non white faces in the city centre. I still think many you see are likely to be students rather than the Liverpool black population. It's still the case that you don't see many non white people working in the city centre. True, but in Liverpool you dont see many people of any skin colour working. |
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Post by Rose Tinted Lane on Sept 12, 2016 13:52:37 GMT
True, but in Liverpool you dont see many people of any skin colour working. The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. --- With regard to possible Labour candidates, here are a list of the Labour Councillors for the 6 wards within the constituency: Anfield - Ros Groves, Adele Dowling, Ian Francis Clubmoor - Jim Noakes, Irene Rainey, Roz Gladden County - Gerard Woodhouse, Roy Gladden, Kay Davies Everton - Jane Corbett, John Macintosh, Frank Prendergast Fazakerley - David Hanratty, Peter Clarke, Paul Brant Warbreck - Ann O'Byrne, Richard McLinden, Cheryl Harrison Now, there is no saying that the candidate will inevitably be one of these people, but there are certainly a few people who are probably frontrunners among that lot. Jim Noakes (Mayoral Lead for Energy and Smart Cities), Roz Gladden (Lord Mayor), Jane Corbett (Cabinet Member for Equalities), David Hanratty (Chair of Merseyside Fire Authority), Paul Brant (Cabinet Member for Adult Social Care) and Ann O'Byrne (Deputy Mayor) are all senior local figures with varying levels of support in the constituency. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:40:04 GMT
Liverpool is very white (89% white, 85% 'White British': these are higher numbers than the average for all England) for the same reason as Scotland: no reason existed for postwar migrants to move there. I suppose you could say the same about tigers, elephants and duck-billed platypi - you don't see many in Liverpool because no reason existed for them to move there. If there had been a reason, then I imagine all these things would have come to pass. You are a master and expert of the inane comment, Sib. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 14:45:40 GMT
When I was in Liverpool a couple of years ago for Green Party conference, I was struck by how overwhelmingly white the city centre was (I don't recall seeing a single non-white face outside the conference centre). It felt a lot less multi-ethnic than any other UK city I've been to. Liverpool as a whole is less multi ethnic than most comparably sized cities primarily due to parts of North Liverpool (including pretty much the entirety of this constituency) being White. Liverpool's' minority voters are normally concentrated around South/Central Liverpool. As for you not seeing a single non white face in the city centre that seriously surprises me. Having visited other places like Manchester, Birmingham and London its obviously much whiter but you really don't have to go far to see a non white face, I cant remember the last time I went into town and didn't run across several non whites.
I live in Newport, Isle of Wight, which is 95% white British. I can't remember ever going out (recently) and not seeing a non-white face. You must have quite remarkable powers of avoiding black people, greenchristian. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 12, 2016 16:09:57 GMT
There is a cabinet member for equalities? What does she do?
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 12, 2016 16:22:44 GMT
I suppose you could say the same about tigers, elephants and duck-billed platypi - you don't see many in Liverpool because no reason existed for them to move there. If there had been a reason, then I imagine all these things would have come to pass. You are a master and expert of the inane comment, Sib. Given context the meaning was obvious, but whatever: postwar migrants mostly gravitated towards places that had labour shortages for one reason or another. Liverpool was already a city in decline and there were more than enough locals to fill the available jobs and so it was not attractive to immigrant workers. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 12, 2016 16:26:56 GMT
True, but in Liverpool you dont see many people of any skin colour working. The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. Managed decline was quite the grim irony for Liverpool, given that it had not many years before engineered the total decline of a settlement for its own gain. Let alone its nineteenth-century efforts to hamper its rivals. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 12, 2016 16:30:12 GMT
The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. Managed decline was quite the grim irony for Liverpool, given that it had not many years before engineered the total decline of a settlement for its own gain. Let alone its nineteenth-century efforts to hamper its rivals. Liverpool is not a single entity. Taking grim satisfaction in the fate of twentieth-century Liverpudlians because of the actions of (a very small percentage of) nineteenth-century Liverpudlians is not a terribly defensible stance. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 12, 2016 16:37:09 GMT
Managed decline was quite the grim irony for Liverpool, given that it had not many years before engineered the total decline of a settlement for its own gain. Let alone its nineteenth-century efforts to hamper its rivals. Liverpool is not a single entity. Taking grim satisfaction in the fate of twentieth-century Liverpudlians because of the actions of (a very small percentage of) nineteenth-century Liverpudlians is not a terribly defensible stance. I'm not claiming satisfaction. I'm merely pointing out that history does some funny things. Liverpool gets painted as hard-done-by throughout history, when it of course it was an extremely powerful player in the land. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:11:59 GMT
I suppose you could say the same about tigers, elephants and duck-billed platypi - you don't see many in Liverpool because no reason existed for them to move there. If there had been a reason, then I imagine all these things would have come to pass. You are a master and expert of the inane comment, Sib. Given context the meaning was obvious, but whatever: postwar migrants mostly gravitated towards places that had labour shortages for one reason or another. Liverpool was already a city in decline and there were more than enough locals to fill the available jobs and so it was not attractive to immigrant workers. So we now learn that people come to work where work happens to be available. Profound. |
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Post by lennon on Sept 12, 2016 17:26:54 GMT
True, but in Liverpool you dont see many people of any skin colour working. The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. --- With regard to possible Labour candidates, here are a list of the Labour Councillors for the 6 wards within the constituency: Anfield - Ros Groves, Adele Dowling, Ian Francis Clubmoor - Jim Noakes, Irene Rainey, Roz Gladden County - Gerard Woodhouse, Roy Gladden, Kay Davies Everton - Jane Corbett, John Macintosh, Frank Prendergast Fazakerley - David Hanratty, Peter Clarke, Paul Brant Warbreck - Ann O'Byrne, Richard McLinden, Cheryl Harrison Now, there is no saying that the candidate will inevitably be one of these people, but there are certainly a few people who are probably frontrunners among that lot. Jim Noakes (Mayoral Lead for Energy and Smart Cities), Roz Gladden (Lord Mayor), Jane Corbett (Cabinet Member for Equalities), David Hanratty (Chair of Merseyside Fire Authority), Paul Brant (Cabinet Member for Adult Social Care) and Ann O'Byrne (Deputy Mayor) are all senior local figures with varying levels of support in the constituency. It's a bit of a long-shot, but I wonder if Dave Landrum (currently Advocacy Director at the Evangelical Alliance) might go for it. He's Liverpudlian, went for Bootle selection before the last GE I believe, a member of 'Blue Labour' / 'Christians on the Left' from my understanding. |
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 12, 2016 18:55:40 GMT
The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. --- With regard to possible Labour candidates, here are a list of the Labour Councillors for the 6 wards within the constituency: Anfield - Ros Groves, Adele Dowling, Ian Francis Clubmoor - Jim Noakes, Irene Rainey, Roz Gladden County - Gerard Woodhouse, Roy Gladden, Kay Davies Everton - Jane Corbett, John Macintosh, Frank Prendergast Fazakerley - David Hanratty, Peter Clarke, Paul Brant Warbreck - Ann O'Byrne, Richard McLinden, Cheryl Harrison Now, there is no saying that the candidate will inevitably be one of these people, but there are certainly a few people who are probably frontrunners among that lot. Jim Noakes (Mayoral Lead for Energy and Smart Cities), Roz Gladden (Lord Mayor), Jane Corbett (Cabinet Member for Equalities), David Hanratty (Chair of Merseyside Fire Authority), Paul Brant (Cabinet Member for Adult Social Care) and Ann O'Byrne (Deputy Mayor) are all senior local figures with varying levels of support in the constituency. It's a bit of a long-shot, but I wonder if Dave Landrum (currently Advocacy Director at the Evangelical Alliance) might go for it. He's Liverpudlian, went for Bootle selection before the last GE I believe, a member of 'Blue Labour' / 'Christians on the Left' from my understanding. You seem to be suggesting that 'Blue Labour' and 'Christians on the Left in Labour' are somehow related. One was an idea for how Labour should change tack following 2010's general election defeat. The other is an organisation made up of people within the Labour party who belong to a particular religion, and which does not have a particular stance on labour's internal partisan debates. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 13, 2016 11:21:31 GMT
The Conservative policy of 'managed decline' certainly has a lot to answer for in terms of loss of jobs in Liverpool. Managed decline was quite the grim irony for Liverpool, given that it had not many years before engineered the total decline of a settlement for its own gain. What's the story here? |
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Post by lennon on Sept 13, 2016 11:33:04 GMT
It's a bit of a long-shot, but I wonder if Dave Landrum (currently Advocacy Director at the Evangelical Alliance) might go for it. He's Liverpudlian, went for Bootle selection before the last GE I believe, a member of 'Blue Labour' / 'Christians on the Left' from my understanding. You seem to be suggesting that 'Blue Labour' and 'Christians on the Left in Labour' are somehow related. One was an idea for how Labour should change tack following 2010's general election defeat. The other is an organisation made up of people within the Labour party who belong to a particular religion, and which does not have a particular stance on labour's internal partisan debates. Sorry - that was bad phrasing from my perspective. What I meant to say was that he is a prominent Christian and member of Christians on the Left (previously the Christian Socialist Movement, and the Labour party version of the Conservative Christian Fellowship). Additionally, and unrelated, he most likely sits within the 'Blue Labour' camp when thinking about Labour party tribes. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 13, 2016 13:11:15 GMT
Walton looks set to disappear in the boundary review with bits going to Riverside, West Derby and Bootle, so whoever wins the seat may not be there for very long. In the circumstances, I wonder if they might go for an older candidate who would treat it as three years in the sun before they retire. Chris Williamson... |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 13, 2016 13:13:51 GMT
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Post by Rose Tinted Lane on Sept 13, 2016 13:41:04 GMT
Managed decline was quite the grim irony for Liverpool, given that it had not many years before engineered the total decline of a settlement for its own gain. What's the story here? It's a disingenuous reference to Lake Vrynwy in Wales. The people of a small village in a Welsh valley were moved to make room for a reservoir, serving the Wirral and greater Liverpool. |
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