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Post by carlton43 on May 29, 2019 13:05:55 GMT
I don't know why you're all getting so worked up, I just saw someone suggest an alliance between those parties and wanted to see what the map might look like, assuming they received the exact same votes as they did at the EU Parliament election.
There obviously was no alliance, it wasn't a referendum and I never meant to imply that every LD/Green/etc voter would have still voted for a joint Remain ticket. Had the England & Wales map been full of Remain party wins partly due to a heavily split pro-Brexit vote, I would have done the exact opposite. I wasn't trying to make a political point, after all I posted a map in the Scotland thread showing which council areas a combined Conservative + Brexit Party ticket could have won. But I guess in future I'll just keep this kind of fun on my hard drive. Don't do that. It was interesting and a bit of fun. We provided a bit of constructive criticism to make it a more balanced and meaningful map. Nothing personal or abusive......just criticism. |
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Post by syorkssocialist on May 29, 2019 13:20:22 GMT
I don't know why you're all getting so worked up, I just saw someone suggest an alliance between those parties and wanted to see what the map might look like, assuming they received the exact same votes as they did at the EU Parliament election.
There obviously was no alliance, it wasn't a referendum and I never meant to imply that every LD/Green/etc voter would have still voted for a joint Remain ticket. Had the England & Wales map been full of Remain party wins partly due to a heavily split pro-Brexit vote, I would have done the exact opposite. I wasn't trying to make a political point, after all I posted a map in the Scotland thread showing which council areas a combined Conservative + Brexit Party ticket could have won. But I guess in future I'll just keep this kind of fun on my hard drive. Don't do that. It was interesting and a bit of fun. We provided a bit of constructive criticism to make it a more balanced and meaningful map. Nothing personal or abusive......just criticism. Thanks carlton. I'll make one with Brex + UKIP + English Dems added up when I get a chance. |
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Post by jluk234 on May 29, 2019 14:06:27 GMT
Here's an interesting map with no spin. Straightforward Conservative vs Labour. Surprisingly predictable results all things considered. Looks like a general election result from the 1950s  Not quite sure what to make of this. Scotland is very good for the Conservatives but they’re clearly slipping in England and Wales. I’d even go as far to say that England and Wales look quite similar to how they looked when Tony was PM. I know after 9 years in Govt it’s hardly unexpected and that we shouldn’t read too much into the results of EU Elections but if I were a member of the government I’d be worried. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 29, 2019 14:13:14 GMT
Here's an interesting map with no spin. Straightforward Conservative vs Labour. Surprisingly predictable results all things considered. Looks like a general election result from the 1950s Not quite sure what to make of this. Scotland is very good for the Conservatives but they’re clearly slipping in England and Wales. I’d even go as far to say that England and Wales look quite similar to how they looked when Tony was PM. I know after 9 years in Govt it’s hardly unexpected and that we shouldn’t read too much into the results of EU Elections but if I were a member of the government I’d be worried. I mean remember that these two parties between them got less than a quarter of the vote. This is bald men fighting over a comb, or rather fighting over the crumbs left by the Brexit party and the Lib Dems. You have for example in Dover Labour beating the Conservatives with 9.2% over 9.1%. This is hardly some Blair style Labour landslide |
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Post by Andrew_S on May 29, 2019 14:17:05 GMT
Maybe Pete's Con v Lab map is proof that what voters really want are Tory and Labour parties that bear some resemblance and comparison to each other that they had in the 1950s.  |
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Post by jluk234 on May 29, 2019 14:33:40 GMT
Not quite sure what to make of this. Scotland is very good for the Conservatives but they’re clearly slipping in England and Wales. I’d even go as far to say that England and Wales look quite similar to how they looked when Tony was PM. I know after 9 years in Govt it’s hardly unexpected and that we shouldn’t read too much into the results of EU Elections but if I were a member of the government I’d be worried. I mean remember that these two parties between them got less than a quarter of the vote. This is bald men fighting over a comb, or rather fighting over the crumbs left by the Brexit party and the Lib Dems. You have for example in Dover Labour beating the Conservatives with 9.2% over 9.1%. This is hardly some Blair style Labour landslide I know, I know. Hence why I said it resembled the maps of ‘97, ‘01 and ‘05 and why overall we shouldn’t read to much into the results. |
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Post by johnloony on May 29, 2019 22:40:58 GMT
Here's an interesting map with no spin. Straightforward Conservative vs Labour. Surprisingly predictable results all things considered. Looks like a general election result from the 1950s I like it. Have you done other pairwise comparison maps? e.g. LD v. Green, Green v. Conservative, LD v. Labour etc. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 23:09:09 GMT
That’s fair enough, I concede to superior knowledge. I have always put the Greens considerably to the left of the Lib Dems. Generally yes, but then left v right is not the prime issue for either us or the Greens. I'd say the left-right spread between most Greens and most LDs is no more than between Orange Bookers and LD social democrats and less the between the wings within either Labour or Conservative parties. EDIT: peterl and hedgehog are probably too right wing to fit in the LDs! Sometimes I wonder if Greens are perhaps more likely to think that they are more left-wing than might be the case in practice, whilst Liberal Democrats are more likely to be attached to a 'centrist' identity. Neither necessarily says much about practical politics. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2019 23:13:33 GMT
Generally yes, but then left v right is not the prime issue for either us or the Greens. I'd say the left-right spread between most Greens and most LDs is no more than between Orange Bookers and LD social democrats and less the between the wings within either Labour or Conservative parties. EDIT: peterl and hedgehog are probably too right wing to fit in the LDs! Sometimes I wonder if Greens are perhaps more likely to think that they are more left-wing than might be the case in practice, whilst Liberal Democrats are more likely to be attached to a 'centrist' identity. Neither necessarily says much about practical politics. I always think Greens can sound very left wing, and some of the ones I know are, but they appear to be so close to the LibDems who I don't think are left wing at all - they are an essentially pro market, pro-globalisation party. The Greens used to have a really strong, cogent anti-globalisation stance but it's never heard now |
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2019 9:19:41 GMT
You have for example in Dover Labour beating the Conservatives with 9.2% over 9.1%. This is hardly some Blair style Labour landslide Ha ha, was that the lowest "winning" score anywhere? And do you have the lowest/highest combined Con/Lab totals?? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 30, 2019 9:30:39 GMT
You have for example in Dover Labour beating the Conservatives with 9.2% over 9.1%. This is hardly some Blair style Labour landslide Ha ha, was that the lowest "winning" score anywhere? And do you have the lowest/highest combined Con/Lab totals?? I think (not including Gibraltaer) it is Teignbridge with a combined vote of 11.2% The lowest 'winning' score is 6.8% for the Conservatives in BANES |
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Post by yorkshireluke on May 31, 2019 16:37:14 GMT
My attempts at a "Remain V Leave" map for London and Yorks & Humber:   |
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Post by jm on Jun 1, 2019 22:15:08 GMT
Derek Senior's Memorandum of Dissent  |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 2, 2019 2:10:28 GMT
Derek Senior's Memorandum of Dissent I have the full reports:  |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 2, 2019 14:44:12 GMT
Perhaps a map showing the constituencies where most electors didn't vote at all in the European elections, and where that vote was higher than the vote of the leading party in each constituency, would be most useful.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 2, 2019 16:43:06 GMT
Perhaps a map showing the constituencies where most electors didn't vote at all in the European elections, and where that vote was higher than the vote of the leading party in each constituency, would be most useful. The only problem is that almost everywhere would be won by "Did Not Vote". Even places like Exeter (which tends to have very high turnout) would end up with majorities for non-voters, simply because the winning party only got 28%. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 2, 2019 17:02:37 GMT
Perhaps a map showing the constituencies where most electors didn't vote at all in the European elections, and where that vote was higher than the vote of the leading party in each constituency, would be most useful. The only problem is that almost everywhere would be won by "Did Not Vote". Even places like Exeter (which tends to have very high turnout) would end up with majorities for non-voters, simply because the winning party only got 28%. Which is exactly the point I was making.....clearly not obviously enough! |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 2, 2019 18:24:36 GMT
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Post by jm on Jun 3, 2019 21:14:01 GMT
Areas where BXP+UKIP received >50% of votes.  |
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Post by yorkshireluke on Jun 10, 2019 1:25:57 GMT
Back to non-controversial council maps, these should hopefully be coming a steadyish rate of 3 or so a week from now until the next major event in my life. South Oxfordshire District Council, South East. Result: Conservative LOSE to NOC. Since the election, two of the independents have joined the Lib Dems and Greens to help form the administration; as shown here:  |
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