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Post by pl on Nov 19, 2020 10:04:18 GMT
I think he was elected after the UK's exit.
He's quite a weird choice by En Marche. He was 22nd of the list. He apparently has two "casseroles" hung to him since the announcement in the list. He was apparently simultaneously an advisor to the maltan and the french government. It made him resign his position for the french government. There was also something about the San Marino central bank. San Marino has a central bank? The mind boggles. If you will let me put on my geeky hat for a moment (and that's saying something round here!), the Central Bank of San Marino is actually quite interesting. It is not entirely state-owned, with 32% of it owned by local banks. It's a bit like, say, the South African Reserve Bank, or the Bank of England before Labour nationalised it in 1946. The Bank of San Marino is actually quite a modern affair (created in 2005), and was a result of a merger between its predecessor, the San Marino Credit Institute and the Inspectorate for Credit and Currencies. Essentially it is responsible for banking supervision, anti-money laundering and financial stability. Obviously, it has only a negligible role in monetary and currency policy. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 19, 2020 10:42:32 GMT
"Maltan"? I presume you mean "Maltese". No need to be so cross. And, having typed that, I ended up in a 20 min discussion about Maltese crosses in a meeting this morning. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 19, 2020 10:55:44 GMT
I remember "Maltese Cross" as being a variant on the game of dominoes, played 4-handed in the pub. Rules are as here, with the central part of the game resembling the cross when complete. |
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Post by neilm on Nov 19, 2020 10:59:01 GMT
andrea I think there's a French MEP who defected to Italia Viva! I think he was elected after the UK's exit.
He's quite a weird choice by En Marche. He was 22nd of the list. He apparently has two "casseroles" hung to him since the announcement in the list. He was apparently simultaneously an advisor to the maltan and the french government. It made him resign his position for the french government. There was also something about the San Marino central bank.
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 19, 2020 11:47:58 GMT
San Marino has a central bank? The mind boggles. If you will let me put on my geeky hat for a moment (and that's saying something round here!), the Central Bank of San Marino is actually quite interesting. It is not entirely state-owned, with 32% of it owned by local banks. It's a bit like, say, the South African Reserve Bank, or the Bank of England before Labour nationalised it in 1946. The Bank of San Marino is actually quite a modern affair (created in 2005), and was a result of a merger between its predecessor, the San Marino Credit Institute and the Inspectorate for Credit and Currencies. Essentially it is responsible for banking supervision, anti-money laundering and financial stability. Obviously, it has only a negligible role in monetary and currency policy. I presume you mean money laundering, not anti-money laundering. The whole existence and purpose of San Marino is to launder money, and to do that most effectively you need a bank. |
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Post by andrea on Nov 19, 2020 12:03:46 GMT
I did not have time to post the list of changes in the Italian Chamber of Deputies that other 3 MPs moved today:
Laura Ravetto,Federica Zanella and Maurizio Carrara move from Forza Italia to Lega
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 19, 2020 12:45:36 GMT
I did not have time to post the list of changes in the Italian Chamber of Deputies that other 3 MPs moved today: Laura Ravetto,Federica Zanella and Maurizio Carrara move from Forza Italia to Lega A Ravetto who is not from Alice Castello? That was my grandfather's name- visiting him in the cemetery at Alice Castello, every second tomb is either Ravetto or Salussolia. My grandmother is from the (much bigger) next town along, and there are hardly any there. My grandfather was, for many years, the only Ravetto in the London phone book. |
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Post by pl on Nov 19, 2020 12:49:26 GMT
I did not have time to post the list of changes in the Italian Chamber of Deputies that other 3 MPs moved today: Laura Ravetto,Federica Zanella and Maurizio Carrara move from Forza Italia to Lega Is Italy going for the Tower Hamlets award for musical chair in politics? |
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Post by andrea on Nov 19, 2020 12:53:56 GMT
I did not have time to post the list of changes in the Italian Chamber of Deputies that other 3 MPs moved today: Laura Ravetto,Federica Zanella and Maurizio Carrara move from Forza Italia to Lega A Ravetto who is not from Alice Castello? . She was born in Cuneo. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2020 13:02:22 GMT
A Ravetto who is not from Alice Castello? . She was born in Cuneo. One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 19, 2020 13:06:03 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. Why do you say that? (genuine question).
I see Luciano Berio used to live in Radicondoli.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 19, 2020 13:23:45 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. I've only ever changed trains at Cuneo- the journey was interesting in that between Ventimiglia and Cuneo I crossed into France (through Breglia and Tenda) for a long stretch but then back into Italy, and it was operated by FS throughout. I stayed in Radicondoli for a pleasant week in a villa a few years ago. Thinking of repeating it next summer. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2020 16:26:03 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. Why do you say that? (genuine question).
I see Luciano Berio used to live in Radicondoli.
Both by annecdote and reputation, plus the 'feel' when there. Cuneo is a strange odd place rather like March in the fens. One wonders why either are where they are; what they are for; and what sustains them now? It is also very de Chirico and like his paintings just a bit redolent of lurking menace. It has always seemed expansive with broad avenues and plenty of Fascist-style Futurist architecture; and nearly bereft of people and activity. I did not know of the Berio connection to Radicondoli, a town I know very well and one associted with the arts, especially on-street sculpture exhibitions. It is an old and dominant hill top town in the Siena Provincie. It was the Regional HQ for SS and Gestapo because of the high elevation and ease of defence to the approaches, and because unusually for Toscana it was a deeply Fascist town voting for a Fascist MP from the 20s I think into at least the 60s? It has considerable charm and a ristorante with a staggering view from the terrace. I nearly bought a house there 3-decades ago. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2020 16:30:07 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. I've only ever changed trains at Cuneo- the journey was interesting in that between Ventimiglia and Cuneo I crossed into France (through Breglia and Tenda) for a long stretch but then back into Italy, and it was operated by FS throughout. I stayed in Radicondoli for a pleasant week in a villa a few years ago. Thinking of repeating it next summer. I do hope you are able to book under good conditions next summer. An excellent location in high summer because the height assure cooler nights. I envy you if you get there. Were you travelling on to Nice through all the tunnels? Great line. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 19, 2020 16:53:49 GMT
I've only ever changed trains at Cuneo- the journey was interesting in that between Ventimiglia and Cuneo I crossed into France (through Breglia and Tenda) for a long stretch but then back into Italy, and it was operated by FS throughout. I stayed in Radicondoli for a pleasant week in a villa a few years ago. Thinking of repeating it next summer. I do hope you are able to book under good conditions next summer. An excellent location in high summer because the height assure cooler nights. I envy you if you get there. Were you travelling on to Nice through all the tunnels? Great line. I was going from Ventimiglia to Torino. Actually, I started the day at Milano Centrale, and was going the long way round to Paris- down to the coast and back up, I picked up the overnight sleeper at Torino Porta Nuova that evening. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 19, 2020 17:32:12 GMT
If you will let me put on my geeky hat for a moment (and that's saying something round here!), the Central Bank of San Marino is actually quite interesting. It is not entirely state-owned, with 32% of it owned by local banks. It's a bit like, say, the South African Reserve Bank, or the Bank of England before Labour nationalised it in 1946. The Bank of San Marino is actually quite a modern affair (created in 2005), and was a result of a merger between its predecessor, the San Marino Credit Institute and the Inspectorate for Credit and Currencies. Essentially it is responsible for banking supervision, anti-money laundering and financial stability. Obviously, it has only a negligible role in monetary and currency policy. I presume you mean money laundering, not anti-money laundering. The whole existence and purpose of San Marino is to launder money, and to do that most effectively you need a bank. Andorra is the same but with skiing. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 19, 2020 17:34:57 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. Surely the best way to experience what Italy would be like if it were still run by a totalitarian regime determined to make the trains run on time and inhabited by irregular policemen would be to visit Ticino! |
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Post by andrea on Nov 19, 2020 19:01:07 GMT
I did not know of the Berio connection to Radicondoli, a town I know very well and one associted with the arts, especially on-street sculpture exhibitions. It is an old and dominant hill top town in the Siena Provincie. It was the Regional HQ for SS and Gestapo because of the high elevation and ease of defence to the approaches, and because unusually for Toscana it was a deeply Fascist town voting for a Fascist MP from the 20s I think into at least the 60s? It has considerable charm and a ristorante with a staggering view from the terrace. I nearly bought a house there 3-decades ago. I am going through the electoral archives on Home Office website. It seems it reverted to classic Tuscany village after the War in terms of electoral patterns: In 1946: Communist Party polled 55% and Socialists 30.9% Republic 1,958 votes Monarchy 227 votes In 1948 Democratic People Front (Communists+Socialists) polled 79.41% in Radicondoli. MSI got 1 vote at the Camera dei Deputati election. In 1953 Communist Party polled 63% with Socialist Party at 14.7% and Christian Democrats at 12.5% 1958 saw Communists at 56% with PSI at 17 and DC at 16.5% 1963: 58% for Communists 1968: Communists down to 55.5% 1972: 54% for Communists. Christian Democrats second with 19% 1976 saw Communsits going up to 57%. DC went over 20% 1979: Communists 56.6 and DC 19.7% 1983: Communsts 55%. Socialists gain back second place (18.7%) 1987: Communists down to 52%. ----- 1992: Democratic Party of the Left led wth 37.1% followed by PSI at 22.9% and Communist Refondation at 15.8% 1994: the PDS led coalition won with 69%. In the proportional part, PDS got 46% followed by Communist Refondation (14%) Then everything went as expected with Prodi and Veltroni winning there In 2018 PD still led with 40%. Last month in the regional elections, PD candidate polled 58% vs 26% to the Lega candidate |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2020 22:09:56 GMT
One of the two places I know that still feels as if it is in a Fascist Nation. The other is Radicondoli. Surely the best way to experience what Italy would be like if it were still run by a totalitarian regime determined to make the trains run on time and inhabited by irregular policemen would be to visit Ticino! Well. Quite so. It is an area I have known for decades; passed through; stopped in and never taken to although it has a natural beauty and was an obvious break point for my journeys. It does display some of the least attractive attributes of each country. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 19, 2020 22:13:43 GMT
I did not know of the Berio connection to Radicondoli, a town I know very well and one associted with the arts, especially on-street sculpture exhibitions. It is an old and dominant hill top town in the Siena Provincie. It was the Regional HQ for SS and Gestapo because of the high elevation and ease of defence to the approaches, and because unusually for Toscana it was a deeply Fascist town voting for a Fascist MP from the 20s I think into at least the 60s? It has considerable charm and a ristorante with a staggering view from the terrace. I nearly bought a house there 3-decades ago. I am going through the electoral archives on Home Office website. It seems it reverted to classic Tuscany village after the War in terms of electoral patterns: In 1946: Communist Party polled 55% and Socialists 30.9% Republic 1,958 votes Monarchy 227 votes In 1948 Democratic People Front (Communists+Socialists) polled 79.41% in Radicondoli. MSI got 1 vote at the Camera dei Deputati election. In 1953 Communist Party polled 63% with Socialist Party at 14.7% and Christian Democrats at 12.5% 1958 saw Communists at 56% with PSI at 17 and DC at 16.5% 1963: 58% for Communists 1968: Communists down to 55.5% 1972: 54% for Communists. Christian Democrats second with 19% 1976 saw Communsits going up to 57%. DC went over 20% 1979: Communists 56.6 and DC 19.7% 1983: Communsts 55%. Socialists gain back second place (18.7%) 1987: Communists down to 52%. ----- 1992: Democratic Party of the Left led wth 37.1% followed by PSI at 22.9% and Communist Refondation at 15.8% 1994: the PDS led coalition won with 69%. In the proportional part, PDS got 46% followed by Communist Refondation (14%) Then everything went as expected with Prodi and Veltroni winning there In 2018 PD still led with 40%. Last month in the regional elections, PD candidate polled 58% vs 26% to the Lega candidate But the label on the tin does not always describe the correct contents in that tin! There can be a form of 'hiding in plain sight'! |
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