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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 19, 2020 22:20:40 GMT
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Post by andrea on Nov 19, 2020 23:42:54 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2020 12:15:06 GMT
Surely the best way to experience what Italy would be like if it were still run by a totalitarian regime determined to make the trains run on time and inhabited by irregular policemen would be to visit Ticino! Well. Quite so. It is an area I have known for decades; passed through; stopped in and never taken to although it has a natural beauty and was an obvious break point for my journeys. It does display some of the least attractive attributes of each country. See, I like it a lot, but entirely agree with your assessment! I don't know Italy much at all, but if I were to pick the best part of Switzerland, I'd have to go Canton Graubünden or for somewhere more practical to live, the "Seeland" along Lake Zurich. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 20, 2020 13:08:22 GMT
Well. Quite so. It is an area I have known for decades; passed through; stopped in and never taken to although it has a natural beauty and was an obvious break point for my journeys. It does display some of the least attractive attributes of each country. See, I like it a lot, but entirely agree with your assessment! I don't know Italy much at all, but if I were to pick the best part of Switzerland, I'd have to go Canton Graubünden or for somewhere more practical to live, the "Seeland" along Lake Zurich. The joy of Italy is the approach to a 'way of life' that is superior to that of anywhere else I have ever visited. It is a social freedom embedded in a certain degree of social conformity and good manners, coupled with joy in social interaction, cafe society, love of good food, supreme ice cream, produce and coffee; attention to rest and repose; good attitude to high culture; not letting work and money making take precedence; healthy contempt for all authority whilst obeying it most of the time. Switzerland is a joy to travel in and through because it is near the opposite to many of those Italian attributes and thus easy to negotiate because it is regular, regulated, orderly, precise, efficient and effetive. But it is therefore mind-numbingly boring and restricted in most of the areas dear to my life style. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 20, 2020 13:25:16 GMT
We've all heard this before ... Orson Welles as Harry Lime, from The Third Man, of course.
* The cuckoo clock is not, however, a Swiss thing at all, but you'll find plenty of them in the Black Forest in Germany.
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Nov 24, 2020 10:44:22 GMT
Unfortunately, I would absolutely melt, I don't fare well in hotter climates. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 6, 2021 16:47:54 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 6, 2021 17:04:20 GMT
The Democrats will be relieved. I can only assume he has shifted his political views considerably as he has morphed into afar right Trumpism - not a moderate of any description |
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Post by maxque on Jan 6, 2021 17:12:40 GMT
The Democrats will be relieved. I can only assume he has shifted his political views considerably as he has morphed into afar right Trumpism - not a moderate of any description He was probably always that far-right, but hid it as it was the only win to get elected in his district. Now, he probably see that being on Trump grift train/ being the token black on the far-right is bringing way more money in than being a basic state representative. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 6, 2021 18:26:07 GMT
The Democrats will be relieved. I can only assume he has shifted his political views considerably as he has morphed into afar right Trumpism - not a moderate of any description He was probably always that far-right, but hid it as it was the only win to get elected in his district. Now, he probably see that being on Trump grift train/ being the token black on the far-right is bringing way more money in than being a basic state representative. This kind of racism is what is ultimately going to kill the left. There are many black Republicans, including Trump supporters. Just like there are many gays, Jews, Muslims, Latinos etc. Minorities have minds of our own and we're allowed to be conservatives. There are no "tokens". You're going to have to, what's that alt left term🤔, "educate yourself" about it. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 6, 2021 18:32:00 GMT
He was probably always that far-right, but hid it as it was the only win to get elected in his district. Now, he probably see that being on Trump grift train/ being the token black on the far-right is bringing way more money in than being a basic state representative. This kind of racism is what is ultimately going to kill the left. There are many black Republicans, including Trump supporters. Just like there are many gays, Jews, Muslims, Latinos etc. Minorities have minds of our own and we're allowed to be conservatives. There are no "tokens". You're going to have to, what's that alt left term🤔, "educate yourself" about it. He is a token. Can you name another proeminent black Trumpist, except Herman Cain? |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 6, 2021 18:35:51 GMT
This kind of racism is what is ultimately going to kill the left. There are many black Republicans, including Trump supporters. Just like there are many gays, Jews, Muslims, Latinos etc. Minorities have minds of our own and we're allowed to be conservatives. There are no "tokens". You're going to have to, what's that alt left term🤔, "educate yourself" about it. He is a token. Can you name another proeminent black Trumpist, except Herman Cain? David Harris and, increasingly, Candace Owens to name just two. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 6, 2021 20:30:41 GMT
Never will a defection be so quickly regretted - talk about jumping into the wrong side of history. |
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jan 6, 2021 20:31:52 GMT
Life hits you fast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 19:34:35 GMT
Which they might welcome through some combination of "be careful what you wish for" and "keep your friends close...". I doubt very much this will happen, for tonnes of reasons, but even if Trump did get together a ragtag of Patriots to form a Party, he can only shake up politics so much before it settles back down again. 2024 is a long, long time away, more so for American politics. The Republicans will probably be happy with Trumpians yabbering away in the fringes, their millions of votes spread across too thinly, while they realign as much they can into mainstream conservatism again. 70-odd million Trump voters will be waking up, hypnosis-style, over the next few months in different forms. The spell has already been broken for many of them, perhaps a number in the millions by the spring. If Trumpsim fades from the airwaves and Internet, so will the power of his spell. And many more millions will have the hypnosis broken. A Patriots Party will attract a hardcore of determined nutjobs, randoms, obsessives and general discontents. But I just see Trump being some kind of "upside down" Bernie Sanders, around whom are committed obsessed hardcore subscribers to a planet slightly outside Earth's orbit, the combined financial clout of which might do well for campaigns but it doesn't mean much electorally in the end. Bring on the "Patriots Party" if only for electoral curiosity. I am happy to point Trump and his wannabe Patriots to the Wikipedia article about the previous party with that name, which was rather different to the one he intends to create, if indeed he does. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 22, 2021 20:01:12 GMT
a hardcore of determined nutjobs, randoms, obsessives and general discontents. The Liberal Democrats? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 20:09:28 GMT
a hardcore of determined nutjobs, randoms, obsessives and general discontents. The Liberal Democrats? Harsh. Possibly fair. But harsh. |
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Post by grahammurray on Jan 22, 2021 20:55:11 GMT
a hardcore of determined nutjobs, randoms, obsessives and general discontents. The Liberal Democrats? The UK Cabinet. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 22, 2021 21:59:04 GMT
a hardcore of determined nutjobs, randoms, obsessives and general discontents. The Liberal Democrats? |
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