tricky
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Post by tricky on Jul 12, 2012 10:30:35 GMT
Manchester is in Lancashire. Wythenshawe is clearly a separate place from Manchester as it is in Cheshire. Well you should inform the Authorities as there are five wards south of the Mersey electing councillors to Manchester City Council. It is an ongoing concern to me, as is the area of Great Sankey coming under the Cheshire constabulary. Trafford is an abomination.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 16, 2012 16:59:06 GMT
So how many of these Länder are there going to be - surely there should be only seven for England ;D <ducks, runs and hides before EAL spots this> I was worried that when I do Essex-East Anglia I'd have EAL taking my boundaries apart. Now I'm doing the North West I'm going to get Tricky, Andre Teale, Trident and er, 'non-aligned' on my case There aren't really any good splits though, are there? The Cambridgeshire/Huntingdonshire boundary still just about works, if a little less each year, but then you have the problem of what to do with Thorney. And in Essex whilst you can say some areas are certainly north Essex and some are certainly sarf Essex, much of the area in between defies proper classification. So pick the boundaries you like, and I'll just go after you for the seats you draw.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 16, 2012 17:53:21 GMT
but then you have the problem of what to do with Thorney. It's a Thorney problem.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 16, 2012 17:53:57 GMT
It was the boundaries of the seats I was referring to
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Post by erlend on Jul 16, 2012 22:36:05 GMT
Pete I am noting your new avatar. Can we assume that there is a new set of Landtag maps for the NW due?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 16, 2012 22:46:16 GMT
Yep I'm getting there
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Post by Pimpernal on Jul 17, 2012 8:07:27 GMT
Pete I am noting your new avatar. Can we assume that there is a new set of Landtag maps for the NW due? Maybe - when people stop posting things on this thread and distracting him I can live - just - with the South-Eastern Coast Landtag provided there are no cross-border seats impacting on Kent's neutrality... Did we ever update the old 100seat Kentish parliament under the latest local election results at all?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 17, 2012 8:31:33 GMT
but then you have the problem of what to do with Thorney. It's a Thorney problem. It wasn't a problem until the last set of ward boundary changes which put Eye & Thorney together - Eye was always in the soke of Peterborough while Thorney was in Cambridgeshire (Isle of Ely). I had on previous occasions sought to put Peterborough (back?) in the East Mercian land but then there is also the problem of what to do with the areas south of the Nene which were in HUntingdonshire. Obviously there is then a case for moving HUnts too (not part of the old kingdom of East Anglia) but that should logically be in a region centred on Cambridge rathe than on NOttingham so its easier to keep the whole post 1973 Cambridgeshire together
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 17, 2012 11:54:14 GMT
Obviously there is then a case for moving HUnts too (not part of the old kingdom of East Anglia) Are you sure? If so, I'm certain English Historical Review would be happy to publish your findings, because most Anglo-Saxon scholars have no bloody idea where the boundaries of East Anglia were in any direction bar towards the North Sea. The answer to your conundrum is probably the Kingdom of the Middle Angles, that never really agglomerated properly but did cover most of the northern Home Counties and southern East Midlands. Mind you, if you're going to base it on Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, you'll have to treat Lincolnshire on its own. Or, you know, just use what works best on modern realities.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 17, 2012 12:26:57 GMT
I'm not basing it on Anglo-Saxon kingdoms or obviously there wouldn't be a region called Thames Chiltern, but as with French and German regions one can make allusions to historic provinces/principalities/kingdoms whatever without adhering slavishly to old boundaries (modern Brittany region doesn't even include Nantes for example). I don't know if when the French drew up their regions their was some 'Breton Lefty' banging on about what this and that Medieval French scholars had to say about it, but I can only guess they pretty much ignored him
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Post by john07 on Jul 17, 2012 12:42:20 GMT
I'm not basing it on Anglo-Saxon kingdoms or obviously there wouldn't be a region called Thames Chiltern, but as with French and German regions one can make allusions to historic provinces/principalities/kingdoms whatever without adhering slavishly to old boundaries (modern Brittany region doesn't even include Nantes for example). I don't know if when the French drew up their regions their was some 'Breton Lefty' banging on about what this and that Medieval French scholars had to say about it, but I can only guess they pretty much ignored him Indeed, the exclusion of Department 44 (Loire Atlantque) from the Province of Bretagne has been a major cause of dissent for the Breton Nationalists for some years. It is probably the key issue for many. You commonly see slogans painted on walls: 44 = Bzh Bzh is the abbreviation for Breizh (Bretagne) Nantes was the traditional capital of Bretagne although that has passed on to Rennes. It's rather like having Edinburgh in a North East English Region.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 17, 2012 12:45:38 GMT
Now there's an idea
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 17, 2012 13:26:05 GMT
How about having Newcastle in a Scottish region instead?
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Post by Tony Otim on Jul 17, 2012 14:15:06 GMT
How about having Newcastle in a Scottish region instead? no thanks. Although it might mean Celtic had some competition in the SPL
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 17, 2012 14:21:27 GMT
I suppose Alnwick Town play at about the same standard.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 18, 2012 17:40:51 GMT
Just when I've got a spare evening to post up some stuff, fucking photobucket won't let me upload my maps
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 19, 2012 10:38:35 GMT
OK so here's the results for the Lancastria region (aka the North West) | | | Change | seats | change | Lab | 929834 | 45.5% | +14.1 | 162 | +68 | Con | 616195 | 30.2% | - 3.5 | 70 | -22 | LD | 287020 | 14.0% | -10.3 | 13 | -42 | Ind | 90402 | 4.4% | + 0.9 | 5 | - 2 | Grn | 54422 | 2.7% | + 0.1 | | - 2 | UKIP | 35991 | 1.8% | + 1.0 | | | Oth | 29507 | 1.4% | - 2.4 | | |
A Labour landslide. Obviously the huge Labour gains from the LDs in Manchester and Liverpool need no introduction. There were many others in other large towns - St Helens and Warrington, Oldham and Rochdale. The Conservatives didn't fare much better losing 28 seats to Labour, losing four of five seats previously held in Blackpool and four of six in Wirral. Some of the seats won in 2007 (when the Conservatives led in the popular vote, though not in seats) would have been expected to revert to Labour but there were noticeably bad losses such as at Crosby and Wallasey. There was little compensation for the Conservatives by way of gains from the LDs (not that there were that many potential gains). A couple in the Cheshire commuter belt was more or less it, though they would be pleased to have unseated the longstanding LD AM for Colne, Tony Greaves. Labour's gains came literally from left, right and centre as in addition to the large gains from the Conservatives and LDs they wiped the Greens off the map, taking both their seats in Lancaster and also took Darwen from the 'For Darwen' party. Independents also lost their last seats in Cumbria with the Conservatives taking Penrith and the LDs enjoying a solitary gain in Appleby. This latter however was offset by the loss of Cheadle Gatley to the Ratepayers
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 19, 2012 10:41:52 GMT
Lab Gain from Con (28)
Barrow East Bebington Birkenhead West Blackpool Claremont Blackpool Layton Blackpool Stanley Blackpool Victoria Bredbury Bury North Carlisle North Crewe West Crosby Culcheth Davyhulme Ellesmere Port South Great Harwood Heatons Leyland Macclesfield South Moreton Preston West Rainford Standish Urmston Wallasey Westhoughton Whitefield Withnell
Lab Gain from LD (36)
Atherton Birkenhead South Burtonwood Great Sankey Haydock Horwich Liverpool Allerton Liverpool Anfield Liverpool Broadgreen Liverpool Fairfield Liverpool Mossley Hill Liverpool Toxteth Liverpool Tuebrook Liverpool Wavertree Liverpool West Derby Maghull Manchester Burnage Manchester Didsbury Manchester Gorton Manchester Northenden Manchester Rusholme Manchester Whalley Range Manchester Withington Nelson Newton Oldham East Oldham West Port Sunlight Prestwich Rochdale North Rochdale South Runcorn East Runcorn West Salford West St Helens South Stockport East Warrington South
Lab Gain from Green (2)
Lancaster North Lancaster South
Lab Gain from Ind (2)
Darwen Hindley
Con Gain from LD (5)
Alsager Appleton Colne Rochdale West Romiley
Con gain from Ind
Penrith
LD gain from Ind
Appleby
Ind gain from LD
Cheadle Gatley
Ind Gain from Lab
Winstanley
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 19, 2012 10:46:25 GMT
Doing a key map has been a bit vexatious. I don't want to do and Adam Carr and break it up into millions of parts, but because of the disparity in size between the vbast seats in Cumbria and those in the inner cities, it will not display the whol map in such a way as it would be possible to read Therefore here is a map of Cheshire and Lancashire and Cumbria separate
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 19, 2012 10:49:13 GMT
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