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Post by erlend on Jul 11, 2012 19:23:12 GMT
Anyway, its Lancastria to you ane me  ~ And does the boundary include Warrington and other stolen places? |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2012 19:38:30 GMT
Wessex East (or whatever you're going to call it) please. I can help with solving the Portsea Island/Mainland conundrum if you like! Sussex-Cantia would be good to see as well (or Greater Sussex if you're going to cave in to Pimp's demand for a Kentish Parliament  ). |
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Post by erlend on Jul 11, 2012 20:00:12 GMT
Where you put Surrey seams to lead on from Khunanup's point. I would assume some sort of London based area given Pete hasn't tried to redraw the Middlesex/Herts border. My reading of Wikipedia is that it was fought over by Kent Sussex and Wessex. Kent and Sussex individually seem small. One could leave the South and 9eastern) West Saxons together (Sussex and Hants/Wight) so letting Suthrige join Cantia is probably more popular than giving it to London. This is however Pete's project so his rules apply.
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 11, 2012 20:13:43 GMT
Where you put Surrey seams to lead on from Khunanup's point. I would assume some sort of London based area given Pete hasn't tried to redraw the Middlesex/Herts border. My reading of Wikipedia is that it was fought over by Kent Sussex and Wessex. Kent and Sussex individually seem small. One could leave the South and 9eastern) West Saxons together (Sussex and Hants/Wight) so letting Suthrige join Cantia is probably more popular than giving it to London. This is however Pete's project so his rules apply. Pete's already mentioned that he's doing Hants/IoW/Dorset and then I presume Kent/Sussex/Surrey. I just didn't mention Surrey (thus 'Greater Sussex'  ) cause it's just an add on being essentially suburban and never a Kingdom out of the three. |
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Post by erlend on Jul 11, 2012 20:18:31 GMT
I forgot that it seems :-(
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Post by tricky on Jul 11, 2012 20:27:26 GMT
Anyway, its Lancastria to you ane me ~ And does the boundary include Warrington and other stolen places? Warrington is in both Lancashire and Cheshire as any fule kno. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 11, 2012 20:35:31 GMT
Where you put Surrey seams to lead on from Khunanup's point. I would assume some sort of London based area given Pete hasn't tried to redraw the Middlesex/Herts border. My reading of Wikipedia is that it was fought over by Kent Sussex and Wessex. Kent and Sussex individually seem small. One could leave the South and 9eastern) West Saxons together (Sussex and Hants/Wight) so letting Suthrige join Cantia is probably more popular than giving it to London. This is however Pete's project so his rules apply. Pete's already mentioned that he's doing Hants/IoW/Dorset and then I presume Kent/Sussex/Surrey. I just didn't mention Surrey (thus 'Greater Sussex' ) cause it's just an add on being essentially suburban and never a Kingdom out of the three. Yes thats right.. The Northern and Midland regions largely stay as they are - only diffeerence is North Lincolnshire goes to the East Midlands and the North east and North West are renamed Northumbria and Lancastria respectively while the East and West Midlands become East and West Mercia. Surrey Sussex and Kent are together as Sussex-Kent, Hampshire, Dorset & IoW as some kind of Wessex, the other Wessex covering Bristol Somerset, Glos and Wiltshire and a small region covering Devon and Cornwall. London is just as is |
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Post by john07 on Jul 11, 2012 20:57:13 GMT
Warrington is in both Lancashire and Cheshire as any fule kno. As is Stockport, Halton, Manchester, Trafford, and Tameside. |
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Post by Philip Davies on Jul 11, 2012 21:23:23 GMT
Warrington is in both Lancashire and Cheshire as any fule kno. As is Stockport, Halton, Manchester, Trafford, and Tameside. Mossley and therefore Tameside had a bit of Yorkshire in it too! |
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 11, 2012 21:27:27 GMT
So how many of these Länder are there going to be - surely there should be only seven for England ;D
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Post by tricky on Jul 11, 2012 21:48:00 GMT
Warrington is in both Lancashire and Cheshire as any fule kno. As is Stockport, Halton, Manchester, Trafford, and Tameside. Manchester is in Lancashire. Wythenshawe is clearly a separate place from Manchester as it is in Cheshire. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 11, 2012 21:51:19 GMT
So how many of these Länder are there going to be - surely there should be only seven for England ;D <ducks, runs and hides before EAL spots this> I was worried that when I do Essex-East Anglia I'd have EAL taking my boundaries apart. Now I'm doing the North West I'm going to get Tricky, Andre Teale, Trident and er, 'non-aligned' on my case  |
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Post by tricky on Jul 11, 2012 21:58:50 GMT
So how many of these Länder are there going to be - surely there should be only seven for England ;D <ducks, runs and hides before EAL spots this> I was worried that when I do Essex-East Anglia I'd have EAL taking my boundaries apart. Now I'm doing the North West I'm going to get Tricky, Andre Teale, Trident and er, 'non-aligned' on my case North West England - the Ground Zero of psephological cartography. One day Andrew Teale will get a blue plaque, you mark my words.... |
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Post by john07 on Jul 11, 2012 22:15:21 GMT
Manchester is in Lancashire. Wythenshawe is clearly a separate place from Manchester as it is in Cheshire. Well you should inform the Authorities as there are five wards south of the Mersey electing councillors to Manchester City Council. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 11, 2012 22:27:40 GMT
Pete is now going to create a Darwen and Smithills constituency for the sole purpose of annoying me ;D
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 11, 2012 22:43:46 GMT
I hadn't thought of that!. I've basically done the boundaries for this area. One problem is in Sefton. The wards there are the right size for pairings of two to make up a seat, but Southport has seven wards. I don;t want to split Formby so I've come up a three ward seat which has an electorate over 28,000 (average electorate for the region is around 21,000). I'm minded to split a ward between two Southport seats (probably Ainsdale) but don't like the idea not least as i wouldn't accurately be able to tell how the area voted (and at least one of the seats so affected will be marginal). The other alternative is to have four Southport seats by linking a single ward with neighbouring wards from West Lancashire but that looks unsatisfactory to me. I think the oversized seat may be the least of several evils. Whats the consensus?
1. Split Formby
2. An oversized seat made up of three wards
3. splitting a ward to equalize electorates
4. linking one Southport ward with a number of rural West Lancashire wards
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Post by erlend on Jul 11, 2012 22:48:55 GMT
This is your rules Pete. You do not have to be bound by a nonsensical coalition rule :-) about equality. So 2 I think. You believe in communities so 1 4 and even 3 breach your principles. The alternative you mis is there any ward particularly oversized so you coul;d have a small seat?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 11, 2012 22:53:54 GMT
No that wasn't an option it would be far further from the quota than the oversized one
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Post by tricky on Jul 12, 2012 10:04:49 GMT
I hadn't thought of that!. I've basically done the boundaries for this area. One problem is in Sefton. The wards there are the right size for pairings of two to make up a seat, but Southport has seven wards. I don;t want to split Formby so I've come up a three ward seat which has an electorate over 28,000 (average electorate for the region is around 21,000). I'm minded to split a ward between two Southport seats (probably Ainsdale) but don't like the idea not least as i wouldn't accurately be able to tell how the area voted (and at least one of the seats so affected will be marginal). The other alternative is to have four Southport seats by linking a single ward with neighbouring wards from West Lancashire but that looks unsatisfactory to me. I think the oversized seat may be the least of several evils. Whats the consensus? 1. Split Formby 2. An oversized seat made up of three wards 3. splitting a ward to equalize electorates 4. linking one Southport ward with a number of rural West Lancashire wards I would go with option 4. If you start off by putting Meols ward from Southport with North Meols ward from West Lancs you won't go far wrong |
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 12, 2012 10:06:28 GMT
So how many of these Länder are there going to be - surely there should be only seven for England ;D <ducks, runs and hides before EAL spots this> I was worried that when I do Essex-East Anglia I'd have EAL taking my boundaries apart. Now I'm doing the North West I'm going to get Tricky, Andre Teale, Trident and er, 'non-aligned' on my case Wait until you get on to Groß Birmingham. |
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