Australian federal election 2016

[dizz]

ALP now 8 votes ahead in Herbert:

www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/guide/herb/

Provisional votes (as opposed to postal votes) are said to be favouring them.

[Deleted]

A good post on Herbert.

kevinbonham.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/2016-late-postcount-and-expected.html

[Deleted]

Full recount in Herbert: www.aec.gov.au/media/media-releases/2016/07-19e.htm

[iain]

It has, seemingly, though, been called for Labor.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Although the AEC's site indicates some 500+ envelopes yet to process, the eight vote lead for Cathy O'Toole appears to be final in terms of votes on the first round.

[Deleted]

As the press notice indicates, on a normal count they would now move to full preference distribution, which often turns up minor errors in the original 2pp count which was based on the assumption that ALP/LNP would be the final two. But because this process is still likely to produce an extremely narrow margin they have gone straight to the full recount. I wouldn't assume anything at this stage, as Palmer's numbers moved around quite a lot in the 2013 recount in Fairfax.

[john07]

The whole thing is a total farce!

[dizz]

ABC Australia are now showing the ALP ahead by 13 in Herbert:

www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/guide/herb/

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Jul 22, 2016 7:57:48 GMT dizz said:

ABC Australia are now showing the ALP ahead by 13 in Herbert:

www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/guide/herb/

The AEC shows an ALP lead of 13 with no envelopes yet to process. But I think that's pre-recount.

[carlton43]

Even a corrupt banana republic could hold a better organized election. What are these total wankers up to and do they know the derision they are held in world wide? I don't care who wins any more.

[Deleted]

Comment from Antony Green:

You’ll find the outstanding ballots are declaration votes that have been returned for Herbert, but rejected from being included in the count because the person wasn’t on the roll in Herbert. However, if the person was on the roll in another electorate, their senate ballot paper is included, which is what the phantom Herbert declaration votes are even though all votes have been counted for Herbert.
If the AEC had electronic state rolls in every polling place, people would not be given absent votes for the wrong electorate, which would improve the speed of processing declaration votes.

[Richard Allen]

Jul 22, 2016 9:29:28 GMT carlton43 said:

Even a corrupt banana republic could hold a better organized election. What are these total wankers up to and do they know the derision they are held in world wide? I don't care who wins any more.

Fortunately for them the formation of the next government does not hang on the result in Herbert.

[john07]

Jul 22, 2016 9:29:28 GMT carlton43 said:

Even a corrupt banana republic could hold a better organized election. What are these total wankers up to and do they know the derision they are held in world wide? I don't care who wins any more.

[Sibboleth]

[neilm]

Jul 22, 2016 10:25:52 GMT Richard Allen said:

Jul 22, 2016 9:29:28 GMT carlton43 said:

Even a corrupt banana republic could hold a better organized election. What are these total wankers up to and do they know the derision they are held in world wide? I don't care who wins any more.

Fortunately for them the formation of the next government does not hang on the result in Herbert.

Had the polls been right, it could have done.

[neilm]

Jul 22, 2016 9:40:18 GMT @strinity said:

Comment from Antony Green:

You’ll find the outstanding ballots are declaration votes that have been returned for Herbert, but rejected from being included in the count because the person wasn’t on the roll in Herbert. However, if the person was on the roll in another electorate, their senate ballot paper is included, which is what the phantom Herbert declaration votes are even though all votes have been counted for Herbert.
If the AEC had electronic state rolls in every polling place, people would not be given absent votes for the wrong electorate, which would improve the speed of processing declaration votes.

How do you get an absent vote for the wrong electorate? There aren't very many western democracies where that happens.

[Deleted]

Jul 24, 2016 0:11:05 GMT neilm said:

Jul 22, 2016 9:40:18 GMT @strinity said:

Comment from Antony Green:

How do you get an absent vote for the wrong electorate? There aren't very many western democracies where that happens.

Polling places outside the electorate don't have full electoral rolls, so when a voter casts an absent vote they make a declaration of their electorate. The declaration is only accepted when the ballot is repatriated to the relevant electorate for verification.

[neilm]

Jul 24, 2016 1:05:32 GMT @strinity said:

Jul 24, 2016 0:11:05 GMT neilm said:

How do you get an absent vote for the wrong electorate? There aren't very many western democracies where that happens.

Polling places outside the electorate don't have full electoral rolls, so when a voter casts an absent vote they make a declaration of their electorate. The declaration is only accepted when the ballot is repatriated to the relevant electorate for verification.

Aah that's interesting, do they just cast a 2PP ballot then?

[Deleted]

They cast a full ballot the same as any other voter, the only difference is that the ballot needs to be checked against the electoral roll to confirm the declaration.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Is letting voters vote at any polling station really a necessity (if you're away for work, couldn't you just get a postal)? Or does it just mean people don't bother checking where their designated polling station is?