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Post by andrea on Mar 25, 2019 13:21:28 GMT
Good for the Right (stunningly good, we must admit), bad for everyone else. Bad for the Centre-Left because though the result was better than the results in region last year, they have nevertheless lost power in what had been a secure bastion throughout the 'Second Republic'. Bad for MS5 because they came a comparatively distant third despite landsliding in the region last year. So.....the Five Star collapsed and most of their vote went to the Right, overtaking the Left even though their vote increased...? Is the League involved in this right block here? the 5 Stars collapse compared to 2018 benefited everyone, marginally more the CR 2018 was 5 Stars 44.3 Lega-FI-FDI 25.4 PD and friends 19.6 |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 25, 2019 13:22:57 GMT
Good for the Right (stunningly good, we must admit), bad for everyone else. Bad for the Centre-Left because though the result was better than the results in region last year, they have nevertheless lost power in what had been a secure bastion throughout the 'Second Republic'. Bad for MS5 because they came a comparatively distant third despite landsliding in the region last year. So.....the Five Star collapsed and most of their vote went to the Right, overtaking the Left even though their vote increased...? Is the League involved in this right block here? Bit more complicated: the last regional elections here were held before the Centre-Left's credibility collapsed completely in the South. So if we put the two regional polls and the last general election together, for many voters it has clearly been: CL -> MS5 -> Right. And yeah, they're involved everywhere now. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 25, 2019 13:43:11 GMT
Good for the Right (stunningly good, we must admit), bad for everyone else. Bad for the Centre-Left because though the result was better than the results in region last year, they have nevertheless lost power in what had been a secure bastion throughout the 'Second Republic'. Bad for MS5 because they came a comparatively distant third despite landsliding in the region last year. So.....the Five Star collapsed and most of their vote went to the Right, overtaking the Left even though their vote increased...? Is the League involved in this right block here? Five Star in essence was a very amateur outfit of chancers, losers, pranksters and the good natured but fairly thick, coming together because of a vacuum and a rather too overt exposure of the autocratic , dissolute and corrupt nature of the older majors. It has served a cathartic purpose in facilitating movement by people from extremes to centre and from left to right. Those trends were in play anyway. Now a better organized and a bit better led LN are carving a way to gaining overall control in much of the nation at least for a while. Mass immigration and fear of incursions and the effects of Islam have wrought a sea change in the minds of the demographic C1 C2 D and E. If the RC decides to support this they will be difficult to shift. There could now be a gradual move to an ITEXIT. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 27, 2019 15:51:44 GMT
1/3 counted in Piedmont. The CentroDestra-man is at 48%, so a little bit below Italian average (EP-elections).
First precincts are done in Firenze and Bari, CentroSinistra is in both far ahead.
But Andrea knows more, of course.
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Post by andrea on May 27, 2019 16:26:50 GMT
Centro-Destra is taking Piedmont quite comfortably according to projections.
PD will be disappointed. Not because they had chances to hold but I think they expected Chiamparino to be closer, within 10 points at least
PD will hold Florence.
Gori (PD) has been re-elected in Bergamo.
Modena stay with PD incumbent.
Bari is a walkover with incumbent PD projected to be at 60%
PD hold Pesaro
Reggio Emilia go to second round with PD in the lead (at around 48%)
On the other hand Ferrara go to second round with Lega-FI in a comfortable lead.
Idem in Forlì
Prato is another one going to run off but with PD ahead.
Centre-right hold Perugia very easily. Unsurprisingly given PD recent scandal in Umbria (and they already lost it in 2014)
Centre-right takes Pavia
Cremona look a like a run off with PD into the lead.
Potenza is held by centre-right
Campobasso is a run off between...not clear...all 3 main blocks are in the 30s
Lecce is a run off with PD starting around 47-48%
Livorno is a PD vs Lega/FI run off with 5 Stars (whose incumbent didn't run. He tried Euro elections but he didn't get in) eliminated.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 28, 2019 0:31:30 GMT
Centro-Destra is taking Piedmont quite comfortably according to projections. PD will be disappointed. Not because they had chances to hold but I think they expected Chiamparino to be closer, within 10 points at least PD will hold Florence. Gori (PD) has been re-elected in Bergamo. Modena stay with PD incumbent. Bari is a walkover with incumbent PD projected to be at 60% PD hold Pesaro Reggio Emilia go to second round with PD in the lead (at around 48%) On the other hand Ferrara go to second round with Lega-FI in a comfortable lead. Idem in Forlì Prato is another one going to run off but with PD ahead. Centre-right hold Perugia very easily. Unsurprisingly given PD recent scandal in Umbria (and they already lost it in 2014) Centre-right takes Pavia Cremona look a like a run off with PD into the lead. Potenza is held by centre-right Campobasso is a run off between...not clear...all 3 main blocks are in the 30s Lecce is a run off with PD starting around 47-48% Livorno is a PD vs Lega/FI run off with 5 Stars (whose incumbent didn't run. He tried Euro elections but he didn't get in) eliminated. The fall of Piedmont means, that the whole North will be ruled by CD. (Well, perhaps not the AostaValley.) A question: With 50% for the right bloc Salvini has EarlyElections obviously in mind (now and again, at least) - but what's with M5S? Will a coup against the leadership be begun? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2019 6:33:15 GMT
I wonder if Salvini will pull the plug on MS5, or if he is waiting for them to collapse the government themselves so he can (frankly quite rightly) blame them.
I suspect Grillo will intervene at some point, and that will be the signal.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2019 6:40:52 GMT
La Stampa says that this is the first time ever that the north of Italy has been under the control of the Right. Is that correct?
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Post by andrea on May 28, 2019 8:01:12 GMT
La Stampa says that this is the first time ever that the north of Italy has been under the control of the Right. Is that correct? I think 2000 regional elections...Lombardy and Veneto as usual with the Right but Forza Italia/Lega got Piedemont and Liguria that year too. Friuli was under the Right in the 1998-2003 term (they have a different timeline). I guess they consider Valle d'Aosta too....at the time it was still with Union Valdotaine and now Lega is in the government there too. |
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Post by andrea on May 28, 2019 10:54:59 GMT
Mayoral elections in main cities
Firenze: Nardella (CL) 57%
Bari: De Caro (CL) 66.3%
Bergamo: Gori (CL) 55.3%
Lecce: Salvemini (CL) 50.9%
Modena: Muzzarelli (CL) 53.4%
Pesaro: Ricci (CL) 57.3%
Perugia: Romizi (CR) 59.8%
Pavia: Fracassi (CR) 53%
Pescara: Masci (CR) 51.3%
Urbino: Gambini (CR) 55.1%
Vibo Valentia: Limbardo (CR) 59.5%
Run offs
Potenza: Guarnte (CR) 44.7% Tramutoli (local lists) 27.4%
Campobasso: D'Alessandro (CR) 39.7% Gravina (5 Stars) 29.4%
Ascoli: Fioravanti (CR) 37.4% Celani (local lists) 21.4%
Avellino: Cipriano (CL) 32.4% Festa (local lists) 28.7%
Cremona: Galimberti (CL) 46.4% Malvezzi (CR) 41.7%
Cesena: Lattuca (CL) 42,8% Rossi (CR) 33.8%
Ferrara: Fabbri (CR) 48.4% Modesini (CL) 31.8%
Foggia: Landella (CR) 46.1% Cavaliere (CL) 33.7%
Forlì: Zattini (CR) 45.8% Calderoni (CL) 37.2%
Livorno: Salvetti (CL) 34.2% Romiti (CR) 26.6%
Prato: Biffoni (CL) 47.2% Spada (CR) 35.1%
Reggio Emilia: Vecchi (CL) 49.1% Salati (CR) 28.2%
Rovigo: Gambarella (CR) 38.2% Gaffeo (Cl) 25.4%
Verbania: Albertella (CR) 45.8% Marchionini (CL) 37.5%
Vercelli: Corsaro (CR) 41.9% Forte (CL) 24.7%
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Post by andrea on Jun 9, 2019 23:08:17 GMT
Run offs held today Mayoral elections in main cities Potenza: Guarnte (CR) 44.7% Tramutoli (local lists) 27.4% 50.5% (with one polling station left to report) Mayoral elections in main cities Campobasso: D'Alessandro (CR) 39.7% Gravina (5 Stars) 29.4% Gravina over 69.0% Mayoral elections in main cities Ascoli: Fioravanti (CR) 37.4% Celani (local lists) 21.4% Fioravanti 59.31% Mayoral elections in main cities Avellino: Cipriano (CL) 32.4% Festa (local lists) 28.7% Festa (ex PD) 51.52% [/quote] Mayoral elections in main cities Biella: Claudio Corradino (CR) 39.95% Dino Gentile (local lists) 27.57% Corradino 51.11% Mayoral elections in main cities Cremona: Galimberti (CL) 46.4% Malvezzi (CR) 41.7% Galimberti 55.94% Mayoral elections in main cities Cesena: Lattuca (CL) 42,8% Rossi (CR) 33.8% Lattuca 55.74% Mayoral elections in main cities Ferrara: Fabbri (CR) 48.4% Modesini (CL) 31.8% Fabbri 56.77% Mayoral elections in main cities Foggia: Landella (CR) 46.1% Cavaliere (CL) 33.7% Landella 53.28% Mayoral elections in main cities Forlì: Zattini (CR) 45.8% Calderoni (CL) 37.2% Zattini 53.06% Mayoral elections in main cities Livorno: Salvetti (CL) 34.2% Romiti (CR) 26.6% Salvetti 63.32% Mayoral elections in main cities Prato: Biffoni (CL) 47.2% Spada (CR) 35.1% Biffoni 56.12% Mayoral elections in main cities Reggio Emilia: Vecchi (CL) 49.1% Salati (CR) 28.2% Vecchi 63.31% Mayoral elections in main cities Rovigo: Gambarella (CR) 38.2% Gaffeo (Cl) 25.4% Gaffeo 50.94% Mayoral elections in main cities Verbania: Albertella (CR) 45.8% Marchionini (CL) 37.5% Marchionini 50.62% Mayoral elections in main cities Vercelli: Corsaro (CR) 41.9% Forte (CL) 24.7% Corsaro 54.8% |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 10, 2019 1:44:51 GMT
Run offs held today Mayoral elections in main cities Potenza: Guarnte (CR) 44.7% Tramutoli (local lists) 27.4% 50.5% (with one polling station left to report) Mayoral elections in main cities Campobasso: D'Alessandro (CR) 39.7% Gravina (5 Stars) 29.4% Gravina over 60% with 45 polling stations reported out of 56 Mayoral elections in main cities Ascoli: Fioravanti (CR) 37.4% Celani (local lists) 21.4% Fioravanti 59.31% Mayoral elections in main cities Avellino: Cipriano (CL) 32.4% Festa (local lists) 28.7% Festa (ex PD) 51.52% Mayoral elections in main cities Biella: Claudio Corradino (CR) 39.95% Dino Gentile (local lists) 27.57% Corradino 51.11% Mayoral elections in main cities Cremona: Galimberti (CL) 46.4% Malvezzi (CR) 41.7% Galimberti 55.94% Mayoral elections in main cities Cesena: Lattuca (CL) 42,8% Rossi (CR) 33.8% Lattuca 55.74% Mayoral elections in main cities Ferrara: Fabbri (CR) 48.4% Modesini (CL) 31.8% Fabbri 56.77% Mayoral elections in main cities Foggia: Landella (CR) 46.1% Cavaliere (CL) 33.7% Landella 53.28% Mayoral elections in main cities Forlì: Zattini (CR) 45.8% Calderoni (CL) 37.2% Zattini 53.06% Mayoral elections in main cities Livorno: Salvetti (CL) 34.2% Romiti (CR) 26.6% Salvetti 63.32% Mayoral elections in main cities Prato: Biffoni (CL) 47.2% Spada (CR) 35.1% Biffoni 56.12% Mayoral elections in main cities Reggio Emilia: Vecchi (CL) 49.1% Salati (CR) 28.2% Vecchi 63.31% Mayoral elections in main cities Rovigo: Gambarella (CR) 38.2% Gaffeo (Cl) 25.4% Gaffeo 50.94% Mayoral elections in main cities Verbania: Albertella (CR) 45.8% Marchionini (CL) 37.5% Marchionini 50.62% Mayoral elections in main cities Vercelli: Corsaro (CR) 41.9% Forte (CL) 24.7% Corsaro 54.8% [/quote] These results might indicate, that CS has recovered and Salvini doesn't win everywhere any longer.? |
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Post by andrea on Jun 10, 2019 8:13:19 GMT
Lega/CR still had some good wins in the likes of Ferrara and Forlì. But all indications were there after first round.
But yes, it seems the season in which the PD lost (almost) all the run-offs as all others joined forces to beat them is over.
It also suggests PD can't rely on its former strongholds in Emilia and Tuscany anymore but it is not a given they will lose them. It becomes more localized and probably the quality of the administrations now plays a role in the outcomes. So you get Ferrara swinging away strongly but Modena and Reggio Emilia holding up.
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Post by andrea on Jun 10, 2019 9:06:56 GMT
For election geeks' entertainment purposes...
Run offs to break the ties....obviously all little municipalities with mayoral candidates running supported by local lists (usually called something like Together for Insert the Name, United for Insert the Name, Live Insert the Name, etc). There are often mayor parties behind them but not always and sometimes not mirrorring national coalitions.
Banzi:
2 weeks ago: 447 to 447
Yesterday: 478 to 449
Castel Baronia
438 each
469 to 453
Maissana
193 each
217 to 205
Ranzanico
359 each
358 to 352
Margno
135 each
141 to 120
San Zenone al Lambro
1030-1030-148-98
1015 to 997 (only those tied advanced to new round)
Maccagno con Pino e Veddasca
802
842 to 804
Vaglio Serra
87-87
94-92
Briga Alta
10-10
15-7
(awful 21% turnout. 126 live in this municipality. 1 spoilt paper and 3 blank)
Ribordone
19-19-2
21-21
(total electorate is 50 here)
Capoliveri
1148-1148
1227-1206
Campodoro
751-751-166
793-751
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 11, 2019 0:13:34 GMT
Will Ribordone need to have another election?
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Post by andrea on Jun 11, 2019 8:02:09 GMT
Will Ribordone need to have another election? I forgot to add a note on the second tie. In the case of a second tie...the oldest candidate is deemed elected as mayor. One was born in 1944 and the other one in 1955. The 1944 one is the mayor now. Briga Alta's awful turnout is due to the town hall (which is where the polling station is usually located) still being inagible because of the 2017 floods and therefore polling place was moved to another municipality. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 11, 2019 8:54:17 GMT
Will Ribordone need to have another election? I forgot to add a note on the second tie. In the case of a second tie...the oldest candidate is deemed elected as mayor. One was born in 1944 and the other one in 1955. The 1944 one is the mayor now. Briga Alta's awful turnout is due to the town hall (which is where the polling station is usually located) still being inagible because of the 2017 floods and therefore polling place was moved to another municipality. Now there's an interesting rule I'd never heard of before.
Couldn't they find another building in the same municipality? or is the whole town still inundated/devastated?
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Post by andrea on Jun 11, 2019 9:53:30 GMT
Couldn't they find another building in the same municipality? or is the whole town still inundated/devastated?
I guess it is the only public building in the municipality. Usually schools are used as polling places but Briga Alta is too little to have a school. I've never seen polling places located in not public (in the sense they are owned by state or local authoroties) buildings, but I don't know if there is a law forbidding it or if it is just an issue of practicality (use of spaces owened by the municipality and therefore they must not ask permissions or pay fees). Actually, for Italians abroad, not public buildings are used. For instance, this is where Italians in UK voted for Euros and judging by the names some of them are privately owned: conslondra.esteri.it/consolato_londra/it/la_comunicazione/dal_consolato/2019/05/elezioni-europee-2019-elenco-seggi.html |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 3, 2019 8:12:50 GMT
Couldn't they find another building in the same municipality? or is the whole town still inundated/devastated?
I guess it is the only public building in the municipality. Usually schools are used as polling places but Briga Alta is too little to have a school. I've never seen polling places located in not public (in the sense they are owned by state or local authoroties) buildings, but I don't know if there is a law forbidding it or if it is just an issue of practicality (use of spaces owened by the municipality and therefore they must not ask permissions or pay fees). Actually, for Italians abroad, not public buildings are used. For instance, this is where Italians in UK voted for Euros and judging by the names some of them are privately owned: conslondra.esteri.it/consolato_londra/it/la_comunicazione/dal_consolato/2019/05/elezioni-europee-2019-elenco-seggi.htmlSeeing Centro Scalabrini (Brixton Road) on that list brings back childhood memories. My grandparents lived round the corner from there between about 1951 and 1989, and we used to sometimes go to the services. I knew the words to the prayers in Italian but not the hymns- so I made up my own. |
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