Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 8, 2020 9:08:58 GMT
I remain a member of the Conservative Party, for now. However, I am deeply disillusioned. We've seen a Conservative government commit to a disastrous lockdown and truly vast spending to sustain it. You have come a long way from the man who wrote this in response to pubs and restaurants being closed and the job retention scheme being announced. 5/5. Overall, 4 for a reasonable performance with the outbreak, a good immigration policy, sticking with Priti and getting us out of the EU. They get an extra point for pissing off Richard Allen . It's good to see that you got their end in the end, even if you were very slow to grasp what was going on.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 8, 2020 9:11:07 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 8, 2020 12:09:14 GMT
I have departed to 'Reform Party' courtesy of Admin.
I am grateful to Boris for getting rid of May and her rank embarrassment to us all; for exiting the recalcitrant Remainers and the awkward squad soft centrists. I would never have believed a leader would be quite so determined and exit quite so many high profile people. I honour him for that too. I am grateful to him for recruiting Cummings. I am grateful for the fairly good campaign and the excellent majority. But there it ends.
I had issues with a number of Cabinet Appointments and with not seizing the opportunity to improve structure by closing down at least 5-Ministries and many of the silly grandstanding titles and offices.
The Budget was not my sort of thing at all. I am not a fan Sunak or his policies and his mindset.
I think the party allowed itself to be sandbagged by wimps over the inanities of the Lockdown which I have opposed on every level and in every way since the outset. It will be seen to be a huge error of judgement and colossal waste of money and resource. And the dither, incompetence and wrong decisions are legion.
Perhaps a minor trigger is the reaction to the Floyd Demonstrations which has been flaccid and weak when we needed a show of strength and some vigorous action.
This is all an opportunity and series of opportunities lost. I am deeply disappointed but in no way surprised.
I shall now support any emerging right of centre Reform Party in the hope of having a grouping who stand up for old style vitues and roundly oppose alt.woke damn fool nonsense in all its guises. The Conservatives have been far too socally liberal for me for decades.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 12:10:52 GMT
Is this an organised departure?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 8, 2020 12:19:00 GMT
There is no 'Reform Party' registered at present.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 8, 2020 12:21:37 GMT
I have departed to 'Reform Party' courtesy of Admin. I am grateful to Boris for getting rid of May and her rank embarrassment to us all; for exiting the recalcitrant Remainers and the awkward squad soft centrists. I would never have believed a leader would be quite so determined and exit quite so many high profile people. I honour him for that too. I am grateful to him for recruiting Cummings. I am grateful for the fairly good campaign and the excellent majority. But there it ends. I had issues with a number of Cabinet Appointments and with not seizing the opportunity to improve structure by closing down at least 5-Ministries and many of the silly grandstanding titles and offices. The Budget was not my sort of thing at all. I am not a fan Sunak or his policies and his mindset. I think the party allowed itself to be sandbagged by wimps over the inanities of the Lockdown which I have opposed on every level and in every way since the outset. It will be seen to be a huge error of judgement and colossal waste of money and resource. And the dither, incompetence and wrong decisions are legion. Perhaps a minor trigger is the reaction to the Floyd Demonstrations which has been flaccid and weak when we needed a show of strength and some vigorous action. This is all an opportunity and series of opportunities lost. I am deeply disappointed but in no way surprised. I shall now support any emerging right of centre Reform Party in the hope of having a grouping who stand up for old style vitues and roundly oppose alt.woke damn fool nonsense in all its guises. The Conservatives have been far too socally liberal for me for decades. Is the League of Empire Loyalists still in existence? Asking for a friend.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 8, 2020 12:26:59 GMT
I have departed to 'Reform Party' courtesy of Admin. I am grateful to Boris for getting rid of May and her rank embarrassment to us all; for exiting the recalcitrant Remainers and the awkward squad soft centrists. I would never have believed a leader would be quite so determined and exit quite so many high profile people. I honour him for that too. I am grateful to him for recruiting Cummings. I am grateful for the fairly good campaign and the excellent majority. But there it ends. I had issues with a number of Cabinet Appointments and with not seizing the opportunity to improve structure by closing down at least 5-Ministries and many of the silly grandstanding titles and offices. The Budget was not my sort of thing at all. I am not a fan Sunak or his policies and his mindset. I think the party allowed itself to be sandbagged by wimps over the inanities of the Lockdown which I have opposed on every level and in every way since the outset. It will be seen to be a huge error of judgement and colossal waste of money and resource. And the dither, incompetence and wrong decisions are legion. Perhaps a minor trigger is the reaction to the Floyd Demonstrations which has been flaccid and weak when we needed a show of strength and some vigorous action. This is all an opportunity and series of opportunities lost. I am deeply disappointed but in no way surprised. I shall now support any emerging right of centre Reform Party in the hope of having a grouping who stand up for old style vitues and roundly oppose alt.woke damn fool nonsense in all its guises. The Conservatives have been far too socally liberal for me for decades. Is the League of Empire Loyalists still in existence? Asking for a friend. Yes. I was a member!
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Jun 8, 2020 12:29:19 GMT
I think Carlton is really looking for the re-establishment of the Pro-consul position, as he remembers it before Julius debased it
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2020 12:42:26 GMT
Toryboy's gone too.
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froome
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Post by froome on Jun 8, 2020 13:48:50 GMT
The disintegration of the far right into more squabbling factions over the BLM protests is just the icing on the cake.
And the idea of Farage building a new movement based around the fall of Edward Colston...
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 8, 2020 13:55:58 GMT
Well if you think you're oppressed when your own side is in power, perhaps remaining a Conservative is rather illogical. Different to being in government and in power. New Labour did a great job and filling the civil service and institutions with their side. But that was 10 years ago. The vast majority of those appointments will have moved on by now Isn't it more that the sort of social conservatism you want to see isn't about to make a return visit? Despite the rhetoric, I've never believed that Johnson is a racist or a homophobe. You appeared to be saying in the post on the Colston issue that you wanted more opposition to things with the Conservatives have largely accepted are no longer active issues?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 8, 2020 14:01:40 GMT
The disintegration of the far right into more squabbling factions over the BLM protests is just the icing on the cake. And the idea of Farage building a new movement based around the fall of Edward Colston... We're not far right and there's no movent building around Edward fucking Colston. To be frank, someone from the anti human Green Party calling names and casting aspersions really is bold.
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Post by mboy on Jun 8, 2020 14:13:55 GMT
I was not a member of the Conservatives during Cameron, as his government were New Labour in blue clothing. But New Labour were Tories in red clothing, so... Cameron's conservatives were actually Tories with two layers of clothes on? Or maybe naked? gosh, confusing...
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 8, 2020 14:28:16 GMT
But that was 10 years ago. The vast majority of those appointments will have moved on by now Isn't it more that the sort of social conservatism you want to see isn't about to make a return visit? Despite the rhetoric, I've never believed that Johnson is a racist or a homophobe. You appeared to be saying in the post on the Colston issue that you wanted more opposition to things with the Conservatives have largely accepted are no longer active issues? 5 years of our time in government we were in coalition with the Lib Dems and the last 4 years has been about delivering Brexit against an establishment hellbent in stopping Brexit from happening. New Labour had 13 years and fair play they played their hand brilliantly. Filled the institutions, BBC and Civil Service with New Labour allies. Unlimited immigration, ballooning the population then blaming the housing crisis on the lack of housing rather then their ability to control population numbers. Then claiming anyone who wants to control immigration is a racist. I was not a member of the Conservatives during Cameron, as his government were New Labour in blue clothing. After watching the police fold to these looters and vandals there is no option but to want real change to the system. I would agree that there was a degree of consensus around both liberal economics and liberal social values which can be seen both in Blair's New Labour, which was far more favourable to market economics, and Cameron's Conservatives, which largely accepted many of the social changes which some Conservatives had previously opposed. You focus only on race issues above - would this be the core of the 'real change' you want to see?
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2020 14:34:00 GMT
5 years of our time in government we were in coalition with the Lib Dems and the last 4 years has been about delivering Brexit against an establishment hellbent in stopping Brexit from happening. New Labour had 13 years and fair play they played their hand brilliantly. Filled the institutions, BBC and Civil Service with New Labour allies. Unlimited immigration, ballooning the population then blaming the housing crisis on the lack of housing rather then their ability to control population numbers. Then claiming anyone who wants to control immigration is a racist. I was not a member of the Conservatives during Cameron, as his government were New Labour in blue clothing. After watching the police fold to these looters and vandals there is no option but to want real change to the system. I would agree that there was a degree of consensus around both liberal economics and liberal social values which can be seen both in Blair's New Labour, which was far more favourable to market economics, and Cameron's Conservatives, which largely accepted many of the social changes which some Conservatives had previously opposed. You focus only on race issues above - would this be the core of the 'real change' you want to see? I think he needs a time machine...
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 8, 2020 15:02:31 GMT
I would agree that there was a degree of consensus around both liberal economics and liberal social values which can be seen both in Blair's New Labour, which was far more favourable to market economics, and Cameron's Conservatives, which largely accepted many of the social changes which some Conservatives had previously opposed. You focus only on race issues above - would this be the core of the 'real change' you want to see? Nothing to do with race, where have I mentioned race? The largest influx into this country during new labour were white eastern Europeans. My concerns are my girlfriends black British brothers and sisters being able to buy / rent a property. Also 2nd / 3rd generation asians who also have seen house prices rise astronomically due to an explosion in the population numbers. I want an home ownership democracy, I want people to have a stake in society to work hard and get to a place where they can buy a house. The left blame white men for the lack of houses and the right blame immigrants. I blame continuous governments inability to control immigration numbers. If you allow 250k people in a year, how will you ever build enough houses to accommodate everyone? My first thought is that surely the Government's immigration policies in conjunction with the leaving of the EU intend to reduce numbers. However, modern Conservatism is actually split between those who are primarily free market globalisers, and those who appear to be more sceptical, like yourself. Surely immigration levels are the outcome of embrace of globalisation, and won't there be some major decisions to be made by the Conservatives as to whether they want to continue to move down this path, or instead want to pursue a more economically nationalist route with not only less immigration, but more protectionism and policies which focus much more on intervention in order to ensure that immigrant labour is not required - and that won't just be at one end of the spectrum, which appears to be what is being stressed by restrictions on low paid workers.
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Post by froome on Jun 8, 2020 15:08:53 GMT
The disintegration of the far right into more squabbling factions over the BLM protests is just the icing on the cake. And the idea of Farage building a new movement based around the fall of Edward Colston... Guess you are happy with the vandalism of Churchills memorial? No.
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Post by froome on Jun 8, 2020 15:09:42 GMT
The disintegration of the far right into more squabbling factions over the BLM protests is just the icing on the cake. And the idea of Farage building a new movement based around the fall of Edward Colston... We're not far right and there's no movent building around Edward fucking Colston. To be frank, someone from the anti human Green Party calling names and casting aspersions really is bold. Calling names?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 15:13:33 GMT
I was not a member of the Conservatives during Cameron, as his government were New Labour in blue clothing. But New Labour were Tories in red clothing, so... Cameron's conservatives were actually Tories with two layers of clothes on? Or maybe naked? gosh, confusing... I'm on my lunch, a naked David Cameron is spoiling my sandwich.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 8, 2020 15:15:11 GMT
But New Labour were Tories in red clothing, so... Cameron's conservatives were actually Tories with two layers of clothes on? Or maybe naked? gosh, confusing... I'm on my lunch, a naked David Cameron is spoiling my sandwich. Is that a ham sandwich?
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