Forum defections.

[No Offence Alan]

That actually surprises me. I always had you down as "I wouldn't say anything behind your back I wouldn't say to your face" type.

[peterl]

Perhaps a group should be warned in advance of anyone wanting to defect to them and should then be able to act in accordance with any scheme that group chooses to adopt (e.g. a vote each time, a vote only if it is a direct party to party defection, a designated person makes the decision or automatic acceptance). That would give each group control of how they wish to deal with such situations.

[carlton43]

Boring, pretentious and anal!

But 'our room' is cold dusty, unfurnished with a lot of spiders' webs. An few empty Empire Sherry bottles.

[froome]

May 14, 2016 10:08:41 GMT @boogieeck said:

This has the potential to create a dilemma. Lets imagine that within a private group room non members of that room are criticized. Ex members potentially are critcised. And insulted. Traduced. Mocked.

I'm shocked to hear such behaviour exists in private group rooms. It certainly doesn't in 'ours'.

And therein lies the nub of your dilemma. If people wish to spend their time insulting, traducing and mocking, then I would suggest this forum isn't the best place for them to be.

[Richard Allen]

I would suggest that the only problem here is people treating the party forums as private.

[East Anglian Lefty]

May 14, 2016 10:08:41 GMT @boogieeck said:

This has the potential to create a dilemma. Lets imagine that within a private group room non members of that room are criticized. Ex members potentially are critcised. And insulted. Traduced. Mocked.

Are you suggesting that doesn't already happen to current members?

[Crimson King]

May 14, 2016 13:37:18 GMT Richard Allen said:

I would suggest that the only problem here is people treating the party forums as private.

yup, wouldn't say anything in the private room That would worry me if it was seen outside

[The Bishop]

May 14, 2016 16:33:16 GMT Crimson King said:

May 14, 2016 13:37:18 GMT Richard Allen said:

I would suggest that the only problem here is people treating the party forums as private.

yup, wouldn't say anything in the private room That would worry me if it was seen outside

Not sure if doing that occasionally is such a bad thing, tbh.

Certainly in the Labour forum there have been occasions - not everyday, but it does happen - where people say stuff they would prefer non-Labour people not to see (I referred to one instance the day after this month's elections) I have no problem with that.

[Crimson King]

May 14, 2016 19:34:47 GMT The Bishop said:

May 14, 2016 16:33:16 GMT Crimson King said:

yup, wouldn't say anything in the private room That would worry me if it was seen outside

Not sure if doing that occasionally is such a bad thing, tbh.

Certainly in the Labour forum there have been occasions - not everyday, but it does happen - where people say stuff they would prefer non-Labour people not to see (I referred to one instance the day after this month's elections) I have no problem with that.

its all relative - we might be more free in the private room, because we know it won't be jumped on immediately, or because for example you wouldn't want something in the public domain immediately (for example views on elecrion chances or campaigns in specific wards) but you would be unwise to believe it might never leak out

[Deleted]

Isn't what you put on the internet much like life, you should be prepared to say the same to someones face the same as you would behind their backs.

Knowing a little about proboards. Admins can see every board anyway, so if someone does put something up somewhere they must be aware other folks other than who they want to see it may well be looking in on it.

[Deleted]

May 14, 2016 10:08:41 GMT @boogieeck said:

Nobody of real note on this Forum has to my recollection fully defected, but several have deserted. Some have deserted the Forum, such as Duncan C or Robo, some have deserted their organic life party and therefore on this virtual plane, have become non aligned, like Richard Allen and Harry Hayfield.

So you suggest no one of real note, surely all members are fundamental to the board what makes one contributer better than another?

This has the potential to create a dilemma. Lets imagine that within a private group room non members of that room are criticized. Ex members potentially are critcised. And insulted. Traduced. Mocked.

Dilemma, being I wish to be nice to the person on the boards but slag them off to other like minded folks. Sorry if I don't feel your pain

Lets then imagine that a member wishes to rejoin a group or join a group other than their original one. Do you see the dilemma?

Not really, as it seems they will find you out or anyone else for that matter, Maybe they will see that they were only liked whilst they were in the gang.

Should a group room perhaps have a veto or an advisory veto on the entry to a group of any person who seeks to join that group room?

Experienced that on a forum many moons ago, should x.y. or z join the forum, will they make a contribution will they be a disruptive influence? If it is just because of what you may have written on the toilet wall and you want time to white wash it off, then don't bloody write on the walls.

If a member wished to fully defect should that expressed wish simply be accepted or should it be subject to any scrutiny or challenge.

In part this is the only one thing I agree with you about, maybe we should have some form of vetting t ensure folks aren't just joining certain groups to see what they can see. But then again I hardly expect anyone to find election TOP SECRET plans held here on proboards. Then again Corbyn did have spreadsheet written up of who is loyal or not so you never know what lurks.

Full disclosure. I was once within 30 minutes of writing a post in a private room denouncing a member of this forum when that member joined the private room.

I once thought of nicking something from the shops but didn't because it wasn't worth the hassle of potentially getting caught. Not in the same league, but for god sakes why do you wanna tell folks, hey there is someone I wanted to slag off, and how lucky was I not to write what I thought about them as they only went and joined the gang I am in and I have to be nice to them now.

Makes me think as a global mod you are not very impartial, if that was ever in your job description requirements. Don't know you much but sadly Having read this think very little of you now, I am sorry to say.

[Deleted]

May 14, 2016 20:24:17 GMT justlooking said:

Isn't what you put on the internet much like life, you should be prepared to say the same to someones face the same as you would behind their backs.

Where I work, people talk behind others' backs all the time.

[carlton43]

May 14, 2016 22:15:51 GMT swanarcadian said:

May 14, 2016 20:24:17 GMT justlooking said:

Isn't what you put on the internet much like life, you should be prepared to say the same to someones face the same as you would behind their backs.

Where I work, people talk behind others' backs all the time.

Rule One: If you are not present you ARE being talked about.

Rule Two:  If you are NOT being talked about.............Why not?

[johnloony]

I never had any problem with this when I defected in April 2013.

[greatkingrat]

jamesdoyle would presumably count as a "real" defector as well

[The Bishop]

Though I think he left the LibDems when the old place was still in operation?

[iain]

Also @barctom

[Deleted]

UKIP are still comparatively new; surely most of their members here over a certain age will have been in another party at some point. Pimp used to be Labour IIRC.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

May 15, 2016 10:43:07 GMT swanarcadian said:

UKIP are still comparatively new; surely most of their members here over a certain age will have been in another party at some point. Pimp used to be Labour IIRC.

Labour candidate in Grove ward in 2006 and 2007. Pimp will confirm but I think he left Labour in 2009.

[froome]

May 15, 2016 10:26:53 GMT @boogieeck said:

Sharon defected prior to membership here. Carlton and Pete likewise. I suppose I actually did. Our leaning members have quasi defected while here. That's not what this is about.

And Kris defected several times during the period he was setting the forum up.