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Post by mrhell on May 17, 2016 21:27:24 GMT
Does that invalidate the resignation? Or just allow the chairman to summarize the letter instead of reading it? I would suggest that any Chairman who decided to read such a letter in full would quickly find that his meeting was lacking a quorum. or a Chairman! |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 21:48:22 GMT
I'm not sure if Kris will be able to add a National Health Action group to this forum to which Harry or other members could join. I recall him saying there wasn't enough room to add another group as ProBoards will only allow a limited number of them. The fact that Kris has considerable sympathy with Mebyon Kernow will probably mean their group will remain, despite their sole member on this forum - andykernow - not having posted for about three years.  |
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Post by boogieeck on May 18, 2016 9:54:13 GMT
It can be a technical grouping, of regionalists like Yorkshire First, nationalists like the BNP, socialists like the SWP and single issue parties like the Pirates.
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Post by boogieeck on May 18, 2016 9:57:10 GMT
here is the resignation letter that will be read at the next meeting of the local executive for Ceredigion Lib Dems:” Can I note in Harry's defence he did not say it would be read out. He said it would be read. |
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Post by Dan on May 18, 2016 10:08:21 GMT
Another thing I have is a sense of honour, and indeed on all these online quizzes I do, it always comes back that I am as close to Phileas Fogg or a Musketeer as it is possible to be (with the slight exception that I do not believe I have a Byronic face and I have never handled a sword in my life), but because of that sense I will be writing to Denfa Morgan, our community council clerk, and inform him that I wish to make a personal statement at the end of the council meeting on June 7th, informing the community of my change of designation from Lib Dem to National Health Action. For those interested in following the reaction of Llansantffraed Community Council to this bombshell can do so here. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 18, 2016 10:18:17 GMT
"There it is!"
"Next item!"
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Post by iainbhx on May 18, 2016 10:22:16 GMT
Does that invalidate the resignation? Or just allow the chairman to summarize the letter instead of reading it? I would suggest that any Chairman who decided to read such a letter in full would quickly find that his meeting was lacking a quorum. Sounds like a very good time for a fag break to me. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 18, 2016 18:22:47 GMT
David Lock wasn't Health Minister in 2001. He was Parliamentary Secretary to the Lord Chancellor's Department. But is the resignation valid or not? Or does Harry Hayfield need to recolour his name in yellow and write another letter.....with the correct circumstances surrounding his resignation included. I mean, fancy not knowing that David Lock was Parliamentary Secretary to the Lord Chancellor's Department, at the material time. Its a wonder the LibDems don't boot him out on his ear.....never mind resignation As my Parish Council Chairman would say: "This application is inadmissible as it is deficient in a material consideration". Seriously, if I was the Clerk I would note Mr Hayfield's change of party affiliation. However, I would not co-operate in this "if ten electors" thing. I would say: "Mr Hayfield, you can resign from the Council ... or remain on the Council. If you resign the vacancy will be advertised in the usual way. It is not the role of the Clerk to facilitate grandstanding." |
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Post by boogieeck on May 18, 2016 18:25:52 GMT
See Harry? The Lib Dems showed feigned not to notice your bizarre behaviour when you were one of them, but now that you have left, that protection has gone. Happily a Lib Dem denunciation is a bit like a Labour Birthday greeting.
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 18, 2016 18:58:11 GMT
When my grandmother was put onto the waiting list for a hip operation last March, I was fully aware that she would have to wait at least eighteen months. But wat I was not aware of was just how painful the condition was, and because of it, my grandmother opted out of the waiting list and had the operation done privately in Carmarthenshire, where they pumped her so full of morphine sulphate and codeine (drugs that her local doctor know knock her out completely) that when she was discharged five days after the operation, she was exceptionally sleepy and drowsy to such an extent that she didn’t know who I was and on one occasion said “Could you move to the left please? A vehicle is trying to pass by!” when I was wheeling her from her chair to her bed. When the district nurse came a few days later and did some tests, she advised that she be admitted to Bronglais due to a low sodium level and for the next four weeks (two in Bronglais and two in Tregaron) the NHS nursed her back to her normal alert self. Since then, she had a pain in her back below her shoulder blade and so asked me to phone the surgery in Aberaeron, but as they were closed I had to phone NHS Direct Wales where after answering forty-five minutes’ worth of questions about the inanest things, a doctor phoned back which is what she wanted to happen in the first place and this, quite frankly, got me annoyed. I realise that this may show my age, but in the television series Camberwick Green and Trumpton, the local doctor was always at the end of a phone and if anyone rang up asking for a consultation or advice on a medical issue and couldn’t come to him, he would always say “There, there, don’t worry, I’ll be there shortly” and when arriving would speak to the patient in a polite and calm manner and take the time to assess the problem before delivering a solution. I believe that the way the NHS is being run, this is nothing more than a pipe dream when it should be a common occurrence and I know exactly where the blame can be laid. Jeremy Hunt MP (Con, Surrey South West). However, with only eight Liberal Democrat MP’s at Westminster (against a Conservative majority of 12) and now a sole Liberal Democrat Assembly member (which if I understand what BBC Wales are saying means that Kirsty cannot even ask a question at FMQ’s, doesn’t even have the right to materials and might as well not be there as far as the Assembly is concerned) I have come to the conclusion that the only way to campaign for an NHS fit for purpose is to be a member of a party that wants such an outcome. Now, as you know I’m a right old electoral sadsack (psephlogist if you want the technical term for it) and know a large number of parties and organisations that deal with all manner of issues. For instance, in the 1997 general election, you had the Pro Life Alliance (who campaigned for the repeal of the 1967 Abortion Act), in 2001 the Christian People’s Alliance started up and in 2010, we saw the arrival of the English Democrats. As well as the Christian People’s Alliance in 2001, another party started up that created the shock of that election, the Kidderminster Hospital and Health Concern party, who from nowhere, gained Wyre Forest from Labour with a majority of 17,630 (36%). The party led by Dr. Richard Taylor, a consultation at Kidderminster Hospital, stood to challenge the Labour MP (who was Health Minister) about why he wanted to close the hospital and although the hospital did close, Dr. Taylor was re-elected in 2005 making him one of just three Independent or independent leaning MP’s at that election. Although he was defeated in 2010, it spawned a large number of similar candidates across the country with two others being elected. Jean Turner in Strathkelvin and Bearsden at the 2003 Scottish Parliament elections and Kieran Deeney in West Tyrone in the Northern Ireland Assembly elections of the same year. Out of this came the National Health Action Party (who appeared on the London ballot for the Euros in 2014) and who in 2015 may only have contested 13 seats but on average polled 3.58% in those seats (only fractionally behind the Greens). I have decided that because of the issues that my grandmother has faced, and how the NHS is critically underfunded, that my future lies with the National Health Action Party and therefore I am giving advance notice that I intend to stand down as a Liberal Democrat member on June 7th 2016. This is simply my reaction to the current situation and how I feel my grandmother is able to get the care she needs while she recovers from her operationHarry, I invite you to ponder the highlighted sections. Who were the "they" who medicated your grandmother inappropriately? Presumably the medics - the very group at the heart of the NHAP. If you think the move from "family doctor" to "general practitioner" only occurred under Hunt then you're hallucinating. Isn't 8 MPs and 1 AM eight and one respectively more than the NHAP? "Although the hospital did close" - a phrase which may illustrate the effectiveness of electing the NHAP. 3.58% ? Your grandmother needs your direct advocacy more than she needs the NHAP (or any other politics at present). I speak from experience - my mother suffered weeks of poor hospital care in her final months. Some may have been a result of underfunding; much was the result of incompetence and poor practice. |
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Post by neilm on May 19, 2016 6:08:21 GMT
The NHAP executive seems to have more than a few members who hold or have held roles in the BMA. This alone makes me suspicious of them.
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2016 11:18:51 GMT
Seriously, if I was the Clerk I would note Mr Hayfield's change of party affiliation. However, I would not co-operate in this "if ten electors" thing. I would say: "Mr Hayfield, you can resign from the Council ... or remain on the Council. If you resign the vacancy will be advertised in the usual way. It is not the role of the Clerk to facilitate grandstanding." Firstly, I would expect the Clerk to address him as Councillor Hayfield, but perhaps more seriously (all though only just), it's unclear as to how Harry or Llansantffraed Community Council intend to inform the community of his offer to resign and stand for re-election? I'm not familiar with the public attendance at their meetings, but could it be the case that residents simply won't know that they can write to the Clerk demanding a resignation? Will there be a public information campaign? Will Harry leaflet the village? Is the offer to resign time-limited? Has this all been properly thought through? |
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Post by carlton43 on May 19, 2016 13:54:36 GMT
Seriously, if I was the Clerk I would note Mr Hayfield's change of party affiliation. However, I would not co-operate in this "if ten electors" thing. I would say: "Mr Hayfield, you can resign from the Council ... or remain on the Council. If you resign the vacancy will be advertised in the usual way. It is not the role of the Clerk to facilitate grandstanding." Firstly, I would expect the Clerk to address him as Councillor Hayfield, but perhaps more seriously (all though only just), it's unclear as to how Harry or Llansantffraed Community Council intend to inform the community of his offer to resign and stand for re-election? I'm not familiar with the public attendance at their meetings, but could it be the case that residents simply won't know that they can write to the Clerk demanding a resignation? Will there be a public information campaign? Will Harry leaflet the village? Is the offer to resign time-limited? Has this all been properly thought through? And:- Have Reuters been advised? Who will be dealing with the world syndication rights? Have Hollywood been alerted as to the prospects? |
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Post by mrhell on May 19, 2016 14:32:29 GMT
See Harry? The Lib Dems showed feigned not to notice your bizarre behaviour when you were one of them, but now that you have left, that protection has gone. Happily a Lib Dem denunciation is a bit like a Labour Birthday greeting. To be fair part of my reticence was that Harry has been around in internet politics a long time and made useful contributions. |
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Post by greenchristian on May 19, 2016 16:22:48 GMT
The NHAP executive seems to have more than a few members who hold or have held roles in the BMA. This alone makes me suspicious of them. Single-issue party in "dominated by people with a professional interest in its issue" shocker. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 24, 2016 12:00:28 GMT
The NHAP executive seems to have more than a few members who hold or have held roles in the BMA. This alone makes me suspicious of them. Single-issue party in "dominated by people with a professional interest in its issue" shocker. It's certainly not surprising. But personally I'd find a "Better Public Transport Party" led by users more attractive than a "BPTP" led by high-ups from ASLEF, TSSA and the RMT. |
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Post by neilm on Jun 1, 2016 0:25:59 GMT
Single-issue party in "dominated by people with a professional interest in its issue" shocker. It's certainly not surprising. But personally I'd find a "Better Public Transport Party" led by users more attractive than a "BPTP" led by high-ups from ASLEF, TSSA and the RMT. Everyone would be convinced it was a front though! |
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Post by Pimpernal on Jun 3, 2016 8:02:13 GMT
UKIP are still comparatively new; surely most of their members here over a certain age will have been in another party at some point. Pimp used to be Labour IIRC. Labour candidate in Grove ward in 2006 and 2007. Pimp will confirm but I think he left Labour in 2009. Young Liberal in the early-mid 80s (NEVER a Lib-Dem!) Green c1989-93 Labour c2004-2009, stood as candidate for Grove at Borough level 2006 & 2007, and for County in 2009 Left late 2009 after Brown signed the Surrender of Lisbon |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 3, 2016 10:20:00 GMT
What did you do between 1993 and 2004?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 3, 2016 10:22:30 GMT
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