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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 10, 2016 17:46:32 GMT
Inspired by Penddu's "Greater Ceredigion" line above... an actual Greater Ceredigion. Genius? Pitchfork Bait? Genius Pitchfork Bait?  |
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Post by YL on Oct 10, 2016 18:11:01 GMT
"Big Pit Valley" needs to be seen to be believed, I think I can work that one out, it is just all of Torfaen, plus Rogerstone from Newport and Llanelly Hill and Llanwenarth Ultra from Monmouthshire. I want to know what on earth "Merthyr, Caerphilly South and Bassleg" is? I managed to match the electorate: all of Merthyr Tydfil district, plus Nelson, Aber Valley, Penyrheol, St. Martins and St. James wards of Caerphilly and the two Mountain Ash wards and Penrhiwceiber from Rhondda Cynon Taf. I've no idea what the reference to "Bassleg" is, though; I assumed it referred to Bassaleg and hence Craig ward of Newport, but his numbers only work if that's in the other Caerphilly seat. So I think it's actually "Merthyr, Caerphilly South & Mountain Ash". An original idea. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 10, 2016 22:04:47 GMT
And if the purpose is to acknowledge the problem of inaccessibility, then why do we have a cross-Berwyn constituency proposed? Those things are a far great physical barrier than, say, the Solent. I've driven over the Berwyn (very nice journey). When I tried to drive across the Solent ... I think I flooded the carburettor. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 10, 2016 22:06:26 GMT
What about Lundy? The puffins deserve their own MP. Don't forget Puffin Island, or is that one being grouped with Ynys Mon? When I was young it was part of Denbighshire. Or was it Flintshire? |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 10, 2016 22:11:32 GMT
Don't forget Puffin Island, or is that one being grouped with Ynys Mon? When I was young it was part of Denbighshire. Or was it Flintshire? All I know is that the borders of old Denbighshire were, shall we say, a bit weird.  |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 10, 2016 22:38:05 GMT
Don't forget Puffin Island, or is that one being grouped with Ynys Mon? When I was young it was part of Denbighshire. Or was it Flintshire? You're telling me The Island Of Adventure was real? Is Kirrin island real as well? |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 11, 2016 3:02:43 GMT
I know Harry is still working his proposals but he currently has two Swansea seats...neither of which contains Swansea Town Centre which is on neighbouring Neath a and Port Talbot....which seat doesn't contain Port Talbot itself which is in neighbouring Bridgend.. which doesn't actually contain Bridgend which is in neighbouring South Wales Coastal...which does at least include some coast..
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 11, 2016 17:36:25 GMT
I know Harry is still working his proposals but he currently has two Swansea seats...neither of which contains Swansea Town Centre which is on neighbouring Neath a and Port Talbot....which seat doesn't contain Port Talbot itself which is in neighbouring Bridgend.. which doesn't actually contain Bridgend which is in neighbouring South Wales Coastal...which does at least include some coast.. although it isn't that of New South Wales... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 11, 2016 17:39:13 GMT
And if the purpose is to acknowledge the problem of inaccessibility, then why do we have a cross-Berwyn constituency proposed? Those things are a far great physical barrier than, say, the Solent. I've driven over the Berwyn (very nice journey). When I tried to drive across the Solent ... I think I flooded the carburettor. How did trying to get across the Berwyns via ferry go though? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 12, 2016 17:18:10 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. My suggestions were actually welcomed by the Labour representative who was there and the assistant commissioners were quite intrigued at the idea of bringing back Pembrokeshire (especially when I mentioned that it had been a constituency from at least 1885 to 1983)
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Post by Foggy on Oct 12, 2016 20:27:00 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. Oh for goodness' sake! I'd be very worried indeed if none of the assistant commissioners were aware of that already. Thanks for this anyway, Harry. |
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 12, 2016 21:14:03 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. Oh for goodness' sake! I'd be very worried indeed if none of the assistant commissioners were aware of that already. Thanks for this anyway, Harry. The North West Assistant Commissioner (who I think did the zombie review as well) remarked that the hearing process is a very good way to get a crash course on local history. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 12, 2016 21:15:55 GMT
The North West Assistant Commissioner (who I think did the zombie review as well) remarked that the hearing process is a very good way to get a crash course on local history. FFS.  |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 12, 2016 21:17:56 GMT
For the record, Pembroke/Pembrokeshire was not abolished as a constituency name until 1997, even if part of it was temporarily joined with Ceredigion from 1983 to 1997.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 21:48:23 GMT
The North West Assistant Commissioner (who I think did the zombie review as well) remarked that the hearing process is a very good way to get a crash course on local history. FFS. It's far, far more encouraging to have an Assistant Commissioner who knows limited stuff about the local region. Neutrality tends not to protect specific constituencies or divide towns. |
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Post by Adrian on Oct 12, 2016 22:33:26 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. Oh for goodness' sake! I'd be very worried indeed if none of the assistant commissioners were aware of that already. Thanks for this anyway, Harry. I expect that many of the ACs will know very little in detail about the subject, having had a look at who has been appointed. At previous reviews the ACs were usually QCs who'd done it before, but this time there was an open application process. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 22:46:11 GMT
Oh for goodness' sake! I'd be very worried indeed if none of the assistant commissioners were aware of that already. Thanks for this anyway, Harry. I expect that many of the ACs will know very little in detail about the subject, having had a look at who has been appointed. At previous reviews the ACs were usually QCs who'd done it before, but this time there was an open application process. I think there's only one QC at all across England this time |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 13, 2016 1:32:23 GMT
Pembrokeshire will exist in BCW scheme or Harrys alterntive to all intents and purposes. BcW slices off a bit of North East pembs while Harry slices off some of the South East. Apart from the name the BCW proposal is a good one.
On the subject of the name, South Pembs usually refers to area south of Mikford Haven, whereas proposed seat includes a greater area north of thr Haven than below it. A more accurate name would be South and West Pembs but why not simply Pembrokeshire as it is 90% of it.
You dont need Harrys alternative seat to rename it.
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Post by Penddu on Oct 13, 2016 7:14:29 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. My suggestions were actually welcomed by the Labour representative who was there and the assistant commissioners were quite intrigued at the idea of bringing back Pembrokeshire (especially when I mentioned that it had been a constituency from at least 1885 to 1983) In my humble opinion, political groups should be excluded from commenting on the proposals as they will inevitably try and spin the plans to their own political advantage. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 13, 2016 8:10:26 GMT
Just got back from Carmarthen so here's potted summary. Conservatives had no objections to any safe Labour seat and proposed admendents to their seats / targets, Labour objected to the whole thing (and did the same), UKIP didn't show up, Plaid complained about the whole thing and that not all the seats would be named in the Welsh language and the Lib Dems went so into the minutiae of the thing that several people seemed to just doze off. My suggestions were actually welcomed by the Labour representative who was there and the assistant commissioners were quite intrigued at the idea of bringing back Pembrokeshire (especially when I mentioned that it had been a constituency from at least 1885 to 1983) In my humble opinion, political groups should be excluded from commenting on the proposals as they will inevitably try and spin the plans to their own political advantage. If that was the case, then from when the meeting opened at 10.00am, it would have been audjorned at 10.30am and probably never even re-opened as all the people we had at Carmarthen yesterday were political (Con, Plaid, Lab, Lib Dem, a former Con parliamentary candidate, a current county councillor from Newport and me). I suspect when I pop in today to see if they have had any more people, they will tell me "Nope, not a dicky bird!" |
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