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Post by Penddu on Oct 9, 2016 2:11:10 GMT
I have now submitted alternative proposal to bcw for Ceredigion and adjoins seats.
1) place Llanidloes and Blaenau Hafren in Brecon Radnor shire & Montgomery, which remains in quota.
2) Bring Ceredigion up to quota by adding Llanybydder and Llanfihangel-ar-arth from Teifi Valley.
3) Bring Caerfyrddin up to quota by adding Kidwelly from Llanelli & Lliw which remains in quota.
4) I also suggested the following names:
BR&M : Powys or South Powys
C&NP : Ceredigion & Preseli or Bae Ceredigion
LL&LL : Llanelli
South Pembrokshire: South & West Pembrokshire or just Pembrokeshire
More submittal to follow...but Gwynedd, Clwyd, North Powys is going to be a challenge...
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Post by Penddu on Oct 9, 2016 2:13:17 GMT
Harry never actually posted his Mid Wales. Something like this?  Ych a fi.... |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 9, 2016 6:20:32 GMT
Now I have submitted my alternative proposals for north Wales. My main concern was with the two rural seats in Gwynedd and Clwyd but because of the knock effect I have had to change all 7 seats as follows:
1 Eryri: includes all of Gwynedd up to and including Caernarfon; includes rural Conwy
2. Ynys Mon & Bangor: includes Ynys Mon; includes Bangor area including Y Felinheli and Deiniolen; includes Penmaen Mawr are of Conwy
3. South Clwyd & North Montgomeryshire: similar to BCW but with removal of Bala area and addition of Denbigh town
4. Conwy & Colwyn. Similar to BCW but with removal of Penmaen Mawr area and addition of Caerhun
5. North Clwyd. Similar to BCW but with addition of St Asaph area, and removal of wards neighbouring Mold
6. South Flintshire. Similar to BCW but with addition of wards neighbouring Mold and removal of Hope area
7. Wrexham. Similar to BCW but with addition of Hope area.
The changes to 4 to 7 are simply to accommodate changes 1 to 3 and are not needed on their own. All seats now within quota and a lot tidier on the map!
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Post by Penddu on Oct 9, 2016 8:26:22 GMT
Now if I could only post a map you could share in the brilliance of my plan!
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 9, 2016 9:13:57 GMT
Harry never actually posted his Mid Wales. Something like this? Ych a fi.... Only the Ceredigion & points northeast seat, or? "Powys" needs to be split and combined with somewhere, I don't think anything (Carmarthen & West Breconshire? Crossing in from Monmouth and/or Neath?) will make anybody ecstatic. West Glamorgan/Bridgend seems to actually work better without the crosscounty Llanelli constituency - I'm rather happy with that map I concocted on the quick there. Gwent (in either mine or Pete's version) is fiddly and imperfect, and obviously that North map needs work, but I'm seriously wondering right now whether Harry didn't have the right idea. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 9, 2016 9:30:06 GMT
If you're seriously wondering that Harry had the right idea on any subject you should go and lie down
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 9, 2016 10:42:06 GMT
If you're seriously wondering that Harry had the right idea on any subject you should go and lie down Accidents do happen.  |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 9, 2016 17:04:22 GMT
North Wales corrected. This is as good as I can make it. Sorry town of Rhuddlan, the compromises avoiding that by cutting into Wrexham are worse. Though maybe Rhuddlan wants to be separate from Rhyl? In which case, no problem mates, I threw that in there extra for you!  Other arrangements considering Llansanffraid, Betsy Rose, and the three rural wards south of that are possible, as long as they maintain the 2:2:1 formula shown here. Open to suggestions. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 9, 2016 17:40:18 GMT
Only the Ceredigion & points northeast seat, or? "Powys" needs to be split and combined with somewhere, I don't think anything (Carmarthen & West Breconshire? Crossing in from Monmouth and/or Neath?) will make anybody ecstatic. It's actually Carmarthen & Breconshire. Just can't fit in two wards (because Montgomeryshire, Radnorshire, and Hay-on-Wye is barely too small...) You can imagine what it looks like. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 9, 2016 18:40:08 GMT
North Wales corrected. This is as good as I can make it. Sorry town of Rhuddlan, the compromises avoiding that by cutting into Wrexham are worse. Though maybe Rhuddlan wants to be separate from Rhyl? In which case, no problem mates, I threw that in there extra for you! Other arrangements considering Llansanffraid, Betsy Rose, and the three rural wards south of that are possible, as long as they maintain the 2:2:1 formula shown here. Open to suggestions. Conwy & Colwyn Bay seat, pretty much similar to the recent proposals, minus Llafairfechan, which I would at least try to keep together with Penmaenmawr myself (though the numbers I see at the side suggest that might be a bit tricky, wherever you put the two). As an aside, would it be feasble to swap Llangernyw & Uwchaled out of the Gwynedd seat in exchange for Llandrillo & Corwen? Just figured the latter might be better suited to a Gwynedd oriented seat considering they were once part of old Meirionydd (or is that just eregious mucking about for the sake of nostalgia?  ). |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 9, 2016 18:58:09 GMT
North Wales corrected. This is as good as I can make it. Sorry town of Rhuddlan, the compromises avoiding that by cutting into Wrexham are worse. Though maybe Rhuddlan wants to be separate from Rhyl? In which case, no problem mates, I threw that in there extra for you! Other arrangements considering Llansanffraid, Betsy Rose, and the three rural wards south of that are possible, as long as they maintain the 2:2:1 formula shown here. Open to suggestions. Conwy & Colwyn Bay seat, pretty much similar to the recent proposals, minus Llafairfechan, which I would at least try to keep together with Penmaenmawr myself (though the numbers I see at the side suggest that might be a bit tricky, wherever you put the two). As an aside, would it be feasble to swap Llangernyw & Uwchaled out of the Gwynedd seat in exchange for Llandrillo & Corwen? Just figured the latter might be better suited to a Gwynedd oriented seat considering they were once part of old Meirionydd (or is that just eregious mucking about for the sake of nostalgia? ). Yes, that's also feasible. It is another current local boundary being cut, though. Penmaenmawr is only the one ward? Doesn't include Capelulo? If so, the Corwen switch actually gains us just the necessary leeway to move it to Bangor/Mon (72532), Deiniolen to Gwynedd (71353), and Caerhun to C&C (71743). SW Clwyd is 71233. Though even without Corwen, you can do it by also adding Penisarwaun to Gwynedd. Weird looking boundary, though. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 9, 2016 19:12:31 GMT
Conwy & Colwyn Bay seat, pretty much similar to the recent proposals, minus Llafairfechan, which I would at least try to keep together with Penmaenmawr myself (though the numbers I see at the side suggest that might be a bit tricky, wherever you put the two). As an aside, would it be feasble to swap Llangernyw & Uwchaled out of the Gwynedd seat in exchange for Llandrillo & Corwen? Just figured the latter might be better suited to a Gwynedd oriented seat considering they were once part of old Meirionydd (or is that just eregious mucking about for the sake of nostalgia? ). Yes, that's also feasible. It is another current local boundary being cut, though. Penmaenmawr is only the one ward? Doesn't include Capelulo? If so, the Corwen switch actually gains us just the necessary leeway to move it to Bangor/Mon (72532), Deiniolen to Gwynedd (71353), and Caerhun to C&C (71743). SW Clwyd is 71233. Though even without Corwen, you can do it by also adding Penisarwaun to Gwynedd. Weird looking boundary, though. The Penmaenmawr community area is typically considered to be both Penmaenmawr town (Penmaenan/Pant-yr-Afon ward) and the village of Dwygyfylchi (Capelulo ward), so to put Penmaenan/Pant-yr-Afon ward into one constituency, and Capelulo ward into another would effectively be splitting the town/community. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 9, 2016 22:41:11 GMT
South Wales now complete (along with Mid Wales).
Row Labels Sum of WardElectorate
Big Pit Valley 77,983
Blaenau Gwent 76,304
Brecknockshire, Radnorshire and Montgomeryshire South 74,884
Bridgend 75,529
Caerphilly 76,922
Cardiff North and East 77,764
Cardiff South 76,467
Cardiff West 73,647
Carmarthenshire Rural 74,148
Ceredigion and Montgomeryshire North 74,810
Gower and Swansea West 76,995
Llanelli and Ammanford 77,688
Merthyr, Caerphilly South and Bassleg 77,933
Monmouthshire 76,659
Neath and Port Talbot 78,064
Newport 75,986
Pembrokeshire 77,070
Rhondda North 77,515
Rhondda South 75,543
South Wales Coastal 77,471
Swansea Valley East 76,850
Vale of Glamorgan East 74,483
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Post by Penddu on Oct 9, 2016 23:35:13 GMT
South Wales now complete (along with Mid Wales). Row Labels Sum of WardElectorate Big Pit Valley 77,983 Blaenau Gwent 76,304 Brecknockshire, Radnorshire and Montgomeryshire South 74,884 Bridgend 75,529 Caerphilly 76,922 Cardiff North and East 77,764 Cardiff South 76,467 Cardiff West 73,647 Carmarthenshire Rural 74,148 Ceredigion and Montgomeryshire North 74,810 Gower and Swansea West 76,995 Llanelli and Ammanford 77,688 Merthyr, Caerphilly South and Bassleg 77,933 Monmouthshire 76,659 Neath and Port Talbot 78,064 Newport 75,986 Pembrokeshire 77,070 Rhondda North 77,515 Rhondda South 75,543 South Wales Coastal 77,471 Swansea Valley East 76,850 Vale of Glamorgan East 74,483 How many natural communities have you destroyed in the interests of Greater Ceredigion? |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 10, 2016 6:13:12 GMT
I like the Idea of not crossing the Clwyd - Powys border and the Dyfed - Glamorgan border so here is my version NORTH WALES Ynys Mon a Bangor 71151 Gwynedd 71587 Conwy & Colwyn 71760 Flint & Rhyl 71215 Mold & Deeside 71761 Wrexham 71444 Clwyd 72208  MID WALES OPTION 1 Aberystwyth & Mongomery 73149 Brecon & Radnor 73951 Cardigan & Preseli 76962 Carmarthen & South Pembrokeshire 72079 Llanelli 74502  OPTION 2 Mongomery & Radnor 72274 Ceredigion & Preseli 72958 South Pembrokeshire 77942 Llanelli & Carmarthen 73102 Brecon 74367  OPTION 3 Powys 78449 Ceredigion & Preseli 74259 South Pembrokeshire 74070 Llanelli & Carmarthen 72461 Ammanford 71404  SOUTH WALES Swansea West & Gower 77729 Swansea East 77647 Neath 77347 Port Talbot 77862 Bridgend 78294 Vale of Glamorgan 76984 Cardiff West 75563 Cardiff East 74128 Cardiff North 78187 Rhondda 77371 Cynon 77767 Merthyr Tydfil 75797 Blaenau Gwent 77226 Caerphilly 75833 Torfaen 77367 Newport 77238 Monmouthshire 77732  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 9:09:58 GMT
"Big Pit Valley" needs to be seen to be believed, I think
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Post by Adrian on Oct 10, 2016 13:05:06 GMT
So I've got carried away and Google-mappified my Wales proposals. It only took a couple of hours now that I know what I'm doing. (Still, please God save me from trying to do all of England like this too...) They are pushing the boundaries of acceptability, so to speak, but might be helpful in a few areas. ukelect.wordpress.com/wales/ |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 10, 2016 16:48:20 GMT
Well it can be done and doesn't look too bad. There you go Harry - we've done ytour whole-wales plan for you  Ooh, beat me. let's see how they compare. (The Cardiff thing is something I drew a long time ago and am just reusing here because I was too lazy to look up the Commission's.)  Upper Cynon can be exchanged for Tonyrefail and Pont-y-Clun if preferred.  There are some alternate possibilities regarding which wards to cut from Newport and where to put them, as well as the Rhondda switch - an issue that arises in other plans as well and on which I'm not sure what's preferrable. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 10, 2016 17:14:54 GMT
"Big Pit Valley" needs to be seen to be believed, I think I can work that one out, it is just all of Torfaen, plus Rogerstone from Newport and Llanelly Hill and Llanwenarth Ultra from Monmouthshire. I want to know what on earth "Merthyr, Caerphilly South and Bassleg" is? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 10, 2016 17:20:31 GMT
Another bizarre Powys option: Brecon & Montgomeryshire, 77327. Alas that it's not contiguous.
Ceredigion & Radnorshire needs a handful of people but it can get those on Teifiside.
EDIT: Scrap that, I had Newport Central ward not filled in.
EDIT: Newtown.
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