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Post by greenhert on Feb 24, 2016 21:45:34 GMT
Dear me...the Welsh constituency map under these new rules will be a complete mess in most places. At least Cardiff can be split neatly into 3 seats, and theoretically Powys and Ceredigion could be paired together...
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Post by Penddu on Feb 24, 2016 22:03:56 GMT
You have to forget the current LAs and if anything start with the new proposed counties. Even then it is difficult and these should be used as a preference only.
The only way you can map Wales out sensibly is by starting at the corners and working in. Start with Monmouthshire, Pembrokeshire, Wrecsam and Ynys Mon. And do this with a topographical map so you dont ignore impassable mountain ranges.
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 24, 2016 22:08:14 GMT
Dear me...the Welsh constituency map under these new rules will be a complete mess in most places. At least Cardiff can be split neatly into 3 seats, and theoretically Powys and Ceredigion could be paired together... That's fine if you are happy for Anglesey to be paired with Vale of Glamorgan! |
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Post by YL on Feb 24, 2016 22:14:25 GMT
Dear me...the Welsh constituency map under these new rules will be a complete mess in most places. At least Cardiff can be split neatly into 3 seats, and theoretically Powys and Ceredigion could be paired together... I think there may well be a Ceredigion/Powys proposal, in spite of the obvious geographic problems. Carmarthenshire and Pembrokeshire make a neat combination, so there's a temptation to look elsewhere for Ceredigion. A Ceredigion a Meirionnydd seat would be technically contiguous but very dubiously so (no road crosses the Dyfi estuary) so look east over Plynlimon to Powys! If you do do that, then everywhere to the North combined has just about enough for 7 seats, and you can get 17 seats in Gwent and Glamorgan. |
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Post by Penddu on Feb 25, 2016 5:33:56 GMT
It should be possible to make 7 seats in North Wales by adding in parts of Montgomeryshire....need to play with Boundary Assistant  ? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Feb 25, 2016 10:11:12 GMT
Surely no one can disagree with the return of Denbigh(shire) can they? Especially as the council area makes up 0.99 of a seat anyway, is well within the electoral range and becomes (if created) a Conservative / Labour battleground.
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comprises: Bodelwyddan, Corwen, Denbigh Central, Denbigh Lower, Denbigh Upper/Henllan, Dyserth, Efenechtyd, Llanarmon-yn-Ial/Llandegla, Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd/Llangynhafal, Llandrillo, Llandyrnog, Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd/Gwyddelwern, Llangollen, Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch, Prestatyn Central, Prestatyn East, Prestatyn Meliden, Prestatyn North, Prestatyn South West, Rhuddlan, Rhyl East, Rhyl South, Rhyl South East, Rhyl South West, Rhyl West, Ruthin, St.Asaph East, St.Asaph West, Trefnant, Tremeirchion
Electorate: 74,069
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Post by ian48 on Feb 25, 2016 12:46:57 GMT
Harry, I think this seat would be very difficult due to knock-on effects elsewhere. In North Wales you basically have to start with the Anglesey, Bango and west Conwy County Borough seat and then fan out.
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Post by ian48 on Feb 25, 2016 12:49:26 GMT
They may even be forced to put Llandudno and Conwy in separate seats for the first time since 1918, which would be a real shame considering they run into each other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 13:57:38 GMT
#giggle#
Cross Offa's dyke ;-)
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 25, 2016 14:10:32 GMT
Surely no one can disagree with the return of Denbigh(shire) can they? Especially as the council area makes up 0.99 of a seat anyway, is well within the electoral range and becomes (if created) a Conservative / Labour battleground. If you do that you will end up with something like Wrexham South and Welshpool. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:21:47 GMT
24 February 2016
Announcement Regarding the 2018 Review of Parliamentary Constituencies.
Today, the Boundary Commission for Wales has published the statistics it will use for the 2018 Review of Parliamentary constituencies, in accordance with the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Act 2011.
24 Chwefror 2016
Cyhoeddiad Ynghylch yr Arolwg 2018 o Etholaethau Seneddol.
Heddiw, mae’r Comisiwn Ffiniau i Gymru wedi cyhoeddi yr ystadegau y bydd yn defnyddio ar gyfer yr 2018 Arolwg o etholaethau Seneddol, yn unol â Ddeddf System Pleidleisio Seneddol ac Etholaethau 2011.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 25, 2016 22:10:07 GMT
I haven't looked at the new Welsh figures yet, but that looks like a nice first attempt.
Among the Gogs, Anglesey should be an excepted area like Wight, Orkney & Shetland and the Outer Hebrides but it's too late to change primary legislation now. Given that it's not and Wales is losing 11 seats, I'm not sure there's a satisfactory solution up there. Cofi and Llanberis being split is surely a big no-no.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 26, 2016 1:01:28 GMT
Ow ow ow. Some of those north Wales proposals are needling me.
Realistically Ynys Môn has to go with Bangor, but putting it with Caernarfon as well is inviting trouble with the constituency that has to include the Lleyn. And your Aberconwy is too long to be a practical seat - better to shift the centre of gravity to the east, bring in a big more of Denbighshire further south, and take the coast west of Conwy into the Ynys Môn seat.
That might make a Montgomery and South Denbighshire seat work, and Caernarfon and Meirionnydd can take up the west side.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Feb 26, 2016 9:46:11 GMT
I am slowly working my way through Wales and have come up with the following viable constituencies:
Denbighshire: 74,069
Glan Conwy / North Wales Coast: 72,051
Gwynedd: 74,908
Anglesey and Gwynedd North West: 74,043
Monmouthshire: 74,532
Flintshire Coast: 71,525
Flintshire Rural: 72,855
and will be checking today on the viability of Wrexham and North Powys, Mid Wales, Ceredigion Coast and Cambrian Mountains but will not be posting them until I have sought a second opinion
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Post by Penddu on Feb 26, 2016 13:05:51 GMT
Anglesey and NW Gwynedd = Ynys Mon a Menai..
Flintshire should be North and South or East and West....there is not much rural ...
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Post by Penddu on Feb 26, 2016 13:11:08 GMT
Anglesey and NW Gwynedd = Ynys Mon a Menai..
Flintshire should be North and South or East and West....there is not much rural ...
and Wrexham is already overlimit...so not sure how that would work?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 15:21:08 GMT
Chester and Connahs Quay
Ludlow and Welshpool
Hereford and Brecon.
That should work ;-)
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Post by iain on Feb 26, 2016 15:33:17 GMT
Chester and Connahs Quay Ludlow and Welshpool Hereford and Brecon. That should work ;-) They would make more sense. That Gwynnedd-Powys thing is a monstrosity. |
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Post by Foggy on Feb 26, 2016 17:20:49 GMT
Among the Gogs, Anglesey should be an excepted area like Wight, Orkney & Shetland and the Outer Hebrides but it's too late to change primary legislation now. Given that it's not and Wales is losing 11 seats, I'm not sure there's a satisfactory solution up there. Cofi and Llanberis being split is surely a big no-no. And the alternative is bound to be crossing the boundary with Conwy. Is splitting Bethesda from Bangor any better though? (I'd rather be rid of all of the exceptions. A tube train and a ferry is a local tie: Ryde is functionally part of Portsmouth. And I don't really agree with privileging one part of CalMac-land over another. So I'm not going to complain about crossing the Menai; after all, Menai Bridge is blatantly a suburb of Bangor.) That split wouldn't be pretty either, but funnily enough, it's exactly the one that crossed my mind yesterday morning before I'd even seen your initial attempt! Can't entirely agree about the exceptions, I'm afraid. I have never visited those Scottish Islands, so you may be right there. Yes, you're right about Menai Bridge and possibly even Beaumaris has stronger links with Bangor than with the rest of Anglesey. I can't speak for Ryde, but I went to Cowes and Newport last year and would say that they are most definitely not effectively part of Southampton. A trans-Solent solution would not have gone down well there. Fixed.  Would that this were possible! All much neater than the various possible messes that Mid Wales could end up as. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 26, 2016 17:26:34 GMT
Menai is a suburb of Bangor but lets get real here: the only reason why Anglesey is not being treated as a Special Snowflake island is because of how it votes.
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Would that this were possible! All much neater than the various possible messes that Mid Wales could end up as.