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Post by ian48 on Sept 13, 2016 7:58:54 GMT
I think South Wales is fine, but the North is pretty awful. Gwynedd North Clwyd is dreadful. I would really try and shift things a bit round. Llanfairfechan and Penmaenmawr to Ynys Mon; some of the Arfon wards to the Gwynedd seat along with Bala; and St. Asaph and Denbigh with the seat below them. Llanidloes should if at all feasible stay with Brecon.
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Post by afleitch on Sept 13, 2016 8:03:49 GMT
Wales was always going to be hit 'visually' like Scotland in 2005. A good rural abomination (DCT) can become loved eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 8:15:19 GMT
The use of Welsh language names across the country would have had Dimbles in fits
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 13, 2016 9:36:25 GMT
On that subject I note constituency 7 (De Clywd a Gogledd Sir Faldwyn / South Clywd and North Montgomeryshire) uses the Welsh version as it's primary name. Is this a majority Welsh speaking constituency?
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Post by ian48 on Sept 13, 2016 9:46:00 GMT
I am pretty certain that it isn't majority Welsh speaking, no.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 13, 2016 9:59:38 GMT
I think it may have been a mistake not to grant Ynys Mon protected status like the Scottish islands, that may have had something of a knock-on effect on the others. Otherwise, I could think of a few reasonable* boundaries for the North had Ynys Mon been allowed to stand on its own. *SubjectiveWhy? What earth-shattering effect is there on making Mr. & Mrs. Mon huddle with a few people on the other side of a small stretch of water, just so we all have an equal vote. Why would any of them on either side care at all? As long as they all have a valid vote. Why protected status for islands? Why overvalued WI, O&K and IOW? Lump the first two together and sit IOW with Solent City/Hants. |
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Post by cibwr on Sept 13, 2016 10:12:35 GMT
Given the restrictions i think they made a reasonable fist of it, especially in the south east of Wales. Following the valleys north south was far more sensible than cutting across them as some were suggesting. North Wales is more problematic, I suspect we will have a few shifts of wards in some of those seats but overall it would work.
Any assessment on how those would fall politically?
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Post by Penddu on Sept 13, 2016 10:32:32 GMT
To be fair they have made a pretty good job of Gwent, Glamorgan & Dyfed. Yes there are some awkward cuts around Bridgend and Port Talbot but probably the best solution overall.
Wrexham & Flintshire look OK as well, and Mon & Bangor was pretty inevitable, but the rest of Clwyd is a mess........
South Powys was also pretty inevitable but putting Llanidloes into Ceredigion looks odd (although Harry will like it)
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Post by pembspolitic on Sept 13, 2016 10:46:57 GMT
South Wales and Dyfed looks fine (although i would definitely put Llanidloes in the Brecon seat). As for North Wales, don't think the people of Bala will be happy. I would move Bala and the Dyfi valley wards into Gwynedd, and move St.Asaph over to the Clwyd/ Montgomery seat. As the map stands, Politically - I would guess: Con - 7/8 (Not sure about the Vale of Glamorgan seats) Plaid - 4 (Although Ceredigion and Mon/Arfon would be close) Lab - 17/18.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 10:47:56 GMT
They've recommended Welsh language names for the following:
"Ynys Môn ac Arfon"
"Gogledd Clywd a Gwynedd"
"De Clwyd a Gogledd Sir Faldwyn"
"Llanelli a Lliw"
"Caerfyrddin"
"Ceredigion a Gogledd Sir Benfro"
"Torfaen" and "Blaenau Gwent" are recommended as billingual
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 13, 2016 11:02:20 GMT
I think it may have been a mistake not to grant Ynys Mon protected status like the Scottish islands, that may have had something of a knock-on effect on the others. Otherwise, I could think of a few reasonable* boundaries for the North had Ynys Mon been allowed to stand on its own. *SubjectiveWhy? What earth-shattering effect is there on making Mr. & Mrs. Mon huddle with a few people on the other side of a small stretch of water, just so we all have an equal vote. Why would any of them on either side care at all? As long as they all have a valid vote. Why protected status for islands? Why overvalued WI, O&K and IOW? Lump the first two together and sit IOW with Solent City/Hants. Also worth pointing out that while the Scottish islands and IoW can only be reached by ferry/plane/energetic swim Ynys Mon has two road links and a railway line connecting it to the rest of Wales. |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 13, 2016 11:03:21 GMT
They've recommended Welsh language names for the following: "Ynys Môn ac Arfon" "Gogledd Clywd a Gwynedd" "De Clwyd a Gogledd Sir Faldwyn" "Llanelli a Lliw" "Caerfyrddin" "Ceredigion a Gogledd Sir Benfro" "Torfaen" and "Blaenau Gwent" are recommended as billingual I thought they were recommending the Englsih language Llanelli and Lliw.... ? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 13, 2016 11:03:43 GMT
I am pretty certain that it isn't majority Welsh speaking, no. Future proofing. Future proofing.  |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 13, 2016 11:06:41 GMT
I am pretty certain that it isn't majority Welsh speaking, no. Actually, they might have managed to gerrymander a Welsh speaking seat....and an interesting marginal.. |
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Post by Penddu on Sept 13, 2016 11:13:30 GMT
On the subject of names, why South Pembrokeshire? Why not just simply Pembrokeshire - it covers 90% of it..
Similarly, why Brecon, Radnor & Montgomery... Why not simply Powys ??
And North Clwyd & Gwynedd....which has another Clwyd seat further north....Maybe Gwynedd & Blaenau Clwyd? or simply Eryri..?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 13, 2016 11:15:37 GMT
Similarly, why Brecon, Radnor & Montgomery... Why not simply Powys ?? Defaid? |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Sept 13, 2016 11:19:47 GMT
I think it may have been a mistake not to grant Ynys Mon protected status like the Scottish islands, that may have had something of a knock-on effect on the others. Otherwise, I could think of a few reasonable* boundaries for the North had Ynys Mon been allowed to stand on its own. *SubjectiveWhy? What earth-shattering effect is there on making Mr. & Mrs. Mon huddle with a few people on the other side of a small stretch of water, just so we all have an equal vote. Why would any of them on either side care at all? As long as they all have a valid vote. Why protected status for islands? Why overvalued WI, O&K and IOW? Lump the first two together and sit IOW with Solent City/Hants. Personally I'd rather see the Scottish Islands lose their protection and have them merged with somewhere else to make more equitable constituencies. My point being that if the Scottish Islands are eligible for preservation, why not Anglesey? I'd rather see them treated like any mainland ward to be honest. |
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Post by pembspolitic on Sept 13, 2016 11:34:39 GMT
I am pretty certain that it isn't majority Welsh speaking, no. No, youre right. Only 30.05% of the proposed seat speaks Welsh. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 13, 2016 11:35:27 GMT
Why? What earth-shattering effect is there on making Mr. & Mrs. Mon huddle with a few people on the other side of a small stretch of water, just so we all have an equal vote. Why would any of them on either side care at all? As long as they all have a valid vote. Why protected status for islands? Why overvalued WI, O&K and IOW? Lump the first two together and sit IOW with Solent City/Hants. Also worth pointing out that while the Scottish islands and IoW can only be reached by ferry/plane/energetic swim Ynys Mon has two road links and a railway line connecting it to the rest of Wales. And potentially a third bridge in five years time: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-37037170 Also the widest part of the Menai is a touch over 1,000 meters, the narrowest part of the Solent is around 4,000 meters. There really is absolutely no justification for giving Ynys Mon protected status. |
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Post by afleitch on Sept 13, 2016 11:38:55 GMT
Why? What earth-shattering effect is there on making Mr. & Mrs. Mon huddle with a few people on the other side of a small stretch of water, just so we all have an equal vote. Why would any of them on either side care at all? As long as they all have a valid vote. Why protected status for islands? Why overvalued WI, O&K and IOW? Lump the first two together and sit IOW with Solent City/Hants. Personally I'd rather see the Scottish Islands lose their protection and have them merged with somewhere else to make more equitable constituencies. My point being that if the Scottish Islands are eligible for preservation, why not Anglesey? I'd rather see them treated like any mainland ward to be honest. Anglesey has a bridge. |
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