YL
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Post by YL on Jun 13, 2016 18:42:24 GMT
I think you've found a way of making Central Devon worse.
(And I think you should call it Zeal Monachorum rather than Tiverton, because (a) it's much more centrally located within the constituency and (b) I like the name.)
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jun 13, 2016 18:49:39 GMT
What we need are two seats both called Woolfardisworthy.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 13, 2016 20:15:14 GMT
I think you've found a way of making Central Devon worse. (And I think you should call it Zeal Monachorum rather than Tiverton, because (a) it's much more centrally located within the constituency and (b) I like the name.) There appears to be no viable way under the current parameters to split up Central Devon, no matter where you put the cross-Tamar seat. The best we can do is expand it as little as possible to put it up to quota. |
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Post by krollo on Jun 14, 2016 8:49:28 GMT
I suppose there might be a way, but it would begin with 'Exe' and end with 'Banks'.
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YL
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Post by YL on Jun 14, 2016 18:11:52 GMT
I think this has got rid of Central Devon, though you can debate whether it's done something worse in its place:  West Devon & Bude 71,381 South Molton 71,244 Barnstaple & Bideford 71,344 Tiverton & Honiton 71,381 Exmouth & Sidmouth 77,889 Exeter 71,404 Newton Abbot 71,381 Torbay 71,459 Totnes 75,119 Ivybridge & Plymouth East 72,766 Plymouth Eggbuckland 71,404 Plymouth Sutton & Devonport 73,611 (I realised after drawing the map that Beer & Branscombe ward could stay in Tiverton & Honiton, and it probably should.) |
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Post by Adrian on Jun 14, 2016 22:16:26 GMT
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Post by Foggy on Jun 14, 2016 22:31:36 GMT
'Canford Magna' is a better name than 'Dorset Mid and Poole North'. 'Dorchester' should obviously be called Dorchester and Swanage.
I don't think the Shaftesbury seat should extend all the way to Sherborne and the Somerset border, and something in the name must make it clear that it contains part of Wiltshire. Otherwise excellent apart from possibly 'Pokesdown'.
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Post by Adrian on Jun 14, 2016 23:47:23 GMT
I know there's a railway station but I don't remember anyone saying 'Pokesdown' when I've been on the Cote de Solent. It amuses me that there used to be a Pokesdown UDC. One of the many very obscure ones.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 15, 2016 22:14:42 GMT
Right. I haven't heard of Pokesdown, but then again, I have spent much more time on the Jurassic Coast than that stretch of coastline, although I have been redressing the balance in recent years.
(It would be 'Côte de Solent', by the way. A 'cote' means a rating, share, dimension or betting odds.)
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 16, 2016 1:25:00 GMT
I know there's a railway station but I don't remember anyone saying 'Pokesdown' when I've been on the Cote de Solent. It amuses me that there used to be a Pokesdown UDC. One of the many very obscure ones. Indeed, Pokesdown (for Boscombe) is what the station signs say. Nearest station if you're going to Dean Court. |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2016 10:38:41 GMT
To continue my progress around the UK...    SW-A (Devon, Cornwall): 1246639 = 16.67 = 17This falls into two subgroups: Cornwall, Torridge = 444935 = 5.95 = 6; Rdr of Devon = 810704 = 10.72 = 11. BODMIN - 72390 SOUTH EAST CORNWALL - 74824 EAST DEVON - 72236 MID DEVON - 71502. This is the key seat and it's tricky to get the numbers within range. I've shifted the seat somewhat westwards to include wards that are currently in the W Devon & Torridge seat (and are thus in need of a new home). It's the only seat in my proposals that includes parts of four LAs, but I assume this is acceptable because the present C Devon seat also has this feature. (I previously had 4-LA seats in Dorset and Staffs but I've got rid of them.) Regarding the name, I want consistently to use 'Mid' rather than 'Central' when we have this sort of seat in an English county. NORTH DEVON - 73240 SOUTH WEST DEVON - 74553. Another key decision is which Plymouth wards go into this seat. I've gone for the Plymstocks and Southway. EXETER - 71404 FALMOUTH AND CAMBORNE - 75631 LAUNCESTON AND BIDEFORD - 75383. The cross-Tamar seat. Actually it's more of a 'go round the northern end of the Tamar' seat. NEWTON ABBOT - 72963 PLYMOUTH DEVONPORT - 74482. I've gone for a division of Plymouth (see the enlarged map) that allows the use of the traditional names. PLYMOUTH SUTTON - 73338. I looked very hard at an alternative pattern in which Southway, Budshead and Moor View go into SW Devon (73576); the Plymtons and Plymstocks into Sutton along with Sutton, Drake, St Peter and Efford (74299); and everything else in Devonport (74498). This looks quite good on the map but I eventually decided it works less well on the ground. ST IVES - 73971 TIVERTON AND HONITON - 74301 TORQUAY - 71459 TOTNES - 72226. Needs a Teignbridge ward to get above the minimum, but Buckfastleigh is an obvious choice. TRURO - 72736 |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2016 10:49:08 GMT
 SW-B (Somerset, Bath & NE Somerset): 518439 = 6.93 = 7This is very much along the lines of other proposals. I've aimed for minimum change. BATH - 75570 BRIDGWATER - 73223 NORTH EAST SOMERSET - 72809 SOMERTON AND FROME - 72905 TAUNTON - 78187 WELLS - 71669 YEOVIL - 74076 SW-C (N Somerset): 151312 = 2.02 = 2Absolutely nothing to see here - it's identical to the current map. NORTH SOMERSET - 75979 WESTON-SUPER-MARE - 75333 |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2016 13:15:49 GMT
  SW-D (Bristol): 300195 = 4.01 = 4Just one ward shift does the trick. BRISTOL EAST - 76627 BRISTOL NORTH - 71869. More 'north' than 'north-west' in my opinion. BRISTOL SOUTH - 78060 BRISTOL WEST - 73639. It could be 'Bristol Central' but that would spoil the symmetry. SW-E (Glos, S Glos): 663115 = 8.87 = 9Two subgroups here: S Glos, Stroud (293887 = 3.93 = 4); rdr of Glos (369228 = 4.95 = 5). The area as a whole retains the 9 seats it currently has, but significant changes to some seats are needed to accommodate EAL's brilliant solution to the Coombe Hill problem. CHELTENHAM - 77222 CIRENCESTER - 75426. This needs to accommodate two overspill wards from Gloucester, and I've gone for wards to the east of the city to reflect new configuration of seats. And it's great to restore Cirencester as a constituency name because now we can spend the next several years arguing about how to pronounce it ('Sissiter', &c). FILTON AND BRADLEY STOKE - 72465. There's a case for calling it 'SW Glos'. GLOUCESTER - 72426 WEST GLOUCESTERSHIRE - 72354. The farther it goes east of the Severn, the less you can call it 'Forest of Dean'. KINGSWOOD - 73384 STROUD - 74379 TEWKESBURY - 71800. Radically reshaped. THORNBURY AND YATE - 73659 |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2016 16:50:11 GMT
And so to conclude the South West.   SW-F (Swindon): 148586 = 1.99 = 2I want to keep the north-south split, although the new wards make it hard to draw a sensible boundary at the western end. SWINDON NORTH - 75640 SWINDON SOUTH - 72946 SW-G (Dorset, Wilts): 902484 = 12.07 = 12All as posted before. BOURNEMOUTH EAST - 71748 BOURNEMOUTH WEST - 77012. A simple realignment with ward changes in Poole would actually have brought the slightly under-size current seat within range, but two very small seats in the Bournemouth area caused problems elsewhere. Besides, it seemed sensible to get the two Branksome wards in the same seat. CHRISTCHURCH - 77771. The two Poole wards in this seat aren't a great fit; but neither are the Verwood wards, which are the alternative. Besides, putting two Poole wards in this seat allowed me to keep the E Dorset seat out of Poole altogether. DEVIZES - 75543. Or 'E Wilts'. EAST DORSET - 77510. Special thanks to Mr P for help with this one. I went through a lot of more-or-less unsatisfactory possibilities in this area, but I'm very happy with the eventual result (and it's a huge improvement on the current 'Mid Dorset & Poole N' that it largely replaces). SOUTH DORSET - 77608 WEST DORSET - 73511 POOLE - 73678 SALISBURY - 73760 SHAFTESBURY AND WESTBURY - 72519. The cross-border seat, but reasonably compact and logical as such seats go. NORTH WILTSHIRE - 77385 WEST WILTSHIRE - 74439 |
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YL
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Post by YL on Jun 22, 2016 6:51:25 GMT
EAST DEVON - 72236 MID DEVON - 71502. This is the key seat and it's tricky to get the numbers within range. I've shifted the seat somewhat westwards to include wards that are currently in the W Devon & Torridge seat (and are thus in need of a new home). It's the only seat in my proposals that includes parts of four LAs, but I assume this is acceptable because the present C Devon seat also has this feature. (I previously had 4-LA seats in Dorset and Staffs but I've got rid of them.) Regarding the name, I want consistently to use 'Mid' rather than 'Central' when we have this sort of seat in an English county. I don't think they'd call it "Mid Devon" because of the district with that name, which it's not a very good match to. I have to admit I dislike "Mid" names, finding them vague about just where in the middle of the county the constituency actually is. The Fifth Review's seat called "Mid Derbyshire" is a good example; I feel I have a pretty good idea of the geography of that county and there's no way I'd think of "Mid Derbyshire" as referring to Belper and three random suburbs of Derby. I accept that it can be difficult to think of an alternative for some of these; the pick-two-towns-in-the-seat approach for the Devon one might suggest "Crediton & Okehampton". I think East Devon should be renamed too, to "Exmouth" or "Exmouth & Sidmouth". Show someone a blank constituency map of Devon, tell them there's a seat called "East Devon", and watch them pick out Tiverton & Honiton. Apart from quibbling about the names, I think your Devon & Cornwall plan is excellent. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 2:42:03 GMT
Bristol Bristol West 72988 Bristol North 75297 Bristol East 76627 Bristol South 78060  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 3:20:50 GMT
Cornwall & Devon Penwith 73971 Kerrier 75631 Truro 73606 Bodmin 72563 Caradon 73138 Plymouth Tamarside 71234 Plymouth Plymside 72022 South Hams 71325 Totnes 71613 Torbay 72197 Teignbridge 74958 Torridge & West Devon 72313 North Devon 73240 Mid Devon 75234 Exeter 71404 East Devon 76372 Tiverton & Honiton 75818  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 3:35:52 GMT
Dorset & Wiltshire West Dorset 73511 Weymouth & Purbeck 73750 Poole 74151 Bournemouth West 77212 Bournemouth East 71748 Christchurch 76864 East Dorset 73714 North Dorset & South West Wiltshire 76867 Salisbury 73760 West Wiltshire 74337 Kennet 74458 Chippenham 78296 Swindon South 75140 Swindon North 77262  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 3:38:11 GMT
Somerset West Somerset 74681 Taunton Deane 73293 South Somerset 74376 Mendip 77426 Sedgemoor 71969 Bath 75570 North East Somerset 74122 Weston-super-Mare 72335 North Somerset 75979  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 3:41:43 GMT
Gloucestershire Forest of Dean 73442 Tewkesbury 72219 Gloucester 74743 Cheltenham 72665 Cotswolds 72941 Stroud 74092 Thornbury & Yate 76911 Kingswood 73384 Filton & Bradley Stoke 72718  |
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