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Post by islington on May 2, 2016 17:46:14 GMT
By no means a bad plan. It reminds me that I don’t think I ever posted my own thoughts for Wilts/Dorset. Compared with existing seats: NORTH WILTSHIRE – Loses the Calne area; gains the Chippenham and Corsham wards (but not Corsham Rural or Box) and could be renamed ‘Chippenham’ if you prefer. 77385 WEST WILTSHIRE – The rest of the current Chippenham seat plus the northern part of SW Wilts including Southwick and the whole of Summerham ward (could be called ‘Trowbridge’). 74439 DEVIZES – Gains Calne and loses Bulford and Durrington (could be ‘E Wilts’). 75543 SALISBURY – Gains those wards from Devizes and otherwise unchanged except for realignments with new ward boundaries. 77247 SHAFTESBURY AND WESTBURY – The rest of SW Wilts and, from the N Dorset seat, everything in N Dorset district except Blandford Forum and the three wards surrounding it (Hill Forts, Riversdale and Lwr Tarrants). 74942 WEST DORSET – Unchanged apart from realignment with new wards. 73511 SOUTH DORSET – Gains Wareham, St Martins and Bere Regis. 77608 EAST DORSET – The successor to Mid Dorset & Poole N but it is extensively changed and I think this name reflects it better. Apart from ward realignments and the losses to S Dorset above, it loses the Canford Heath wards; and it gains the remainder of N Dorset constituency except the Verwood wards. Yes, it’s a complete mash-up and it covers parts of four LAs, but there it is. 78175 POOLE – Aligned for new wards; gains the Canford Heath wards and loses Branksome W. 73678 BOURNEMOUTH WEST – Aligned for new wards in Poole and gains Branksome West. It could have ‘and Branksome’ added to its name but I prefer to leave it as is for brevity. 77012 BOURNEMOUTH EAST – Unchanged. 71748 CHRISTCHURCH – Gains the Verwood wards (and realigned for new wards in E Dorset). 71196 Stop press: As an alternative, it's just struck me that since there are now only two Poole wards (Merley and Broadstone) in the E Dorset seat, you could put these in Christchurch instead, with the Verwoods going to E Dorset. (E Dorset 71600, Christchurch 77771.) This means E Dorset extends into only three LAs rather than four, but on the other hand it doesn't do much for internal connectivity within the Christchurch seat, which now snakes its way round the outer reaches of Bournemouth. |
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Post by greatkingrat on May 2, 2016 18:06:35 GMT
Although there isn't much connectivity between Verwood and Christchurch either.
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Post by swindonlad on May 2, 2016 19:31:32 GMT
Agree with the Royal Wotton Bassett & Marlborough constituency, then a rest of N Wilts one
But as you found out, you get a problem in Salisbury
In Swindon i see you put Western & Mannington in North Swindon, which means you have split West Swindon, which is why I went for the SE / NW Swindon option
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Post by mrpastelito on May 2, 2016 21:48:03 GMT
Continuing with what now looks like a series of alternate maps for areas I've already drawn, here's Devonwall:   I've elected to draw a Plymouth Saltash seat, but rather than the ugly doughnuts several people have suggested, this one is relatively cohesive in northern Plymouth. I would actually have been able to have the A38 as the boundary throughout Plymouth, but I decided Efford & Lipson looks too ugly in SW Devon and that Woolwell ought to go with Moor View. Totnes' arm to grab Ivybridge is unfortunate but forced by the numbers. In the rest of Devon I'm quite pleased with how little change I needed to do. One thing I would point out that might win me a small number of brownie points is that I was able to put Exe Valley into East Devon, so Central Devon now only stretches over three rather than four districts. Within Cornwall, I don't think there's much merit in returning to the pre-1983 boundaries for the sake of it and I think it produces ugly lines round St. Austell, so in my version Newquay goes with Truro, St. Austell with Liskeard and Bodmin stays in North Cornwall. Overall I still prefer crossing in the north, but with less fervour than I did initially. St Ives 73971 Falmouth & Camborne 72184 Truro & Newquay 73775 St. Austell & Liskeard 72061 North Cornwall 76918 Plymouth Saltash 72634 Plymouth Central 78081 South West Devon 72095 Totnes 71184 Torbay 71459 Newton Abbot 72855 Central Devon 71171 Torridge & West Devon 77195 North Devon 73240 Tiverton & Honiton 72286 East Devon 74126 Exeter 71404 Now, islington, greenhert and Foggy might have something to say about your Plymouth seats  and your Tiverton & Honiton does look a bit mangled, but I really liked your Exe Valley suggestion so I've come up with another idea:  Now I'll freely admit that Okehampon & Crediton (tcfkaDC) still stretches over four districts - but Devon East is East Devon only now, without Exeter wards, so still an improvement of sorts. Oh, and tbh I really don't think my proposal produces ugly lines around St Austell! - but beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. |
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Post by mrpastelito on May 2, 2016 22:38:51 GMT
Agree with the Royal Wotton Bassett & Marlborough constituency, then a rest of N Wilts one But as you found out, you get a problem in Salisbury In Swindon i see you put Western & Mannington in North Swindon, which means you have split West Swindon, which is why I went for the SE / NW Swindon option Swindon is easily rectified (I went for minimal change), but whoever came up with Fovant and Chalke Valley ward... ah well. |
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Post by islington on May 3, 2016 7:16:45 GMT
Although there isn't much connectivity between Verwood and Christchurch either. No, there isn't. You're quite right. The two Poole wards have decent road links with Ferndown, &c, in the Christchurch seat, albeit they involve a brief foray into E Dorset or Bournemouth W; if you're determined to stay within the seat, you'll just have to swim the River Stour. Frankly, however, Christchurch is a bit of a mess either way; but E Dorset looks a far better seat without any Poole element and the Verwoods fit in perfectly. So I'm making the switch. I don't think Mr P should be so quick to retract his Swindon, which is a perfectly respectable 'minimum change' option. You could swap Shaw and Mannington for a (possibly) slightly better line (North 75640, South 72946); neither arrangement is ideal, but I think you'd need a more compelling reason to justify moving away from the established north-south split. But I do think, Mr P, you might like to look again at your proposals in the E Dorset area, which manage to divide the Verwoods, Canford Heath, and Colehill - nice hat-trick. |
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Post by mrpastelito on May 3, 2016 10:43:26 GMT
Although there isn't much connectivity between Verwood and Christchurch either. No, there isn't. You're quite right. The two Poole wards have decent road links with Ferndown, &c, in the Christchurch seat, albeit they involve a brief foray into E Dorset or Bournemouth W; if you're determined to stay within the seat, you'll just have to swim the River Stour. Frankly, however, Christchurch is a bit of a mess either way; but E Dorset looks a far better seat without any Poole element and the Verwoods fit in perfectly. So I'm making the switch. I don't think Mr P should be so quick to retract his Swindon, which is a perfectly respectable 'minimum change' option. You could swap Shaw and Mannington for a (possibly) slightly better line (North 75640, South 72946); neither arrangement is ideal, but I think you'd need a more compelling reason to justify moving away from the established north-south split. But I do think, Mr P, you might like to look again at your proposals in the E Dorset area, which manage to divide the Verwoods, Canford Heath, and Colehill - nice hat-trick. New maps, mainly based on a) islington 's proposals and b) a lack of local knowledge:    Corsham Without and Box Hill ruins it all I'm afraid. |
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Post by islington on May 3, 2016 11:37:55 GMT
Mr P -
As we're coming to expect, a very nice plan: albeit not quite what I had in mind (but then, maybe it wasn't meant to be).
You've captured my intentions in the greater Bournemouth area. Despite the awkward Christchurch seat, this is by far the least horrible solution I've found for this tricky area.
Where we differ is that you have the Abbey, Bulbarrow and Lydden Vale wards in E Dorset. I must admit, I'd never tried this because I assumed they would put it over the top limit, so I had them as a rather ungainly southward lobe in the Shaftesbury seat (I thought of it as the 'Winterborne salient'). But now you've shown that it's possible, it's an attractive solution (E Dorset 77510).
The only snag is that it leaves Shaftesbury short on numbers, which you've solved at the Wiltshire end by taking the Lavingtons from Devizes and Till from Salisbury. But in fact, you only need one of these, not both. I feel the Lavingtons definitely belongs in Devizes, but I can see a case for taking Till from Salisbury and I'll give this some serious thought.
This arrangement would give us: Shaftesbury and Westbury 72519; Salisbury 73760; Devizes 75543.
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Post by mrpastelito on May 3, 2016 11:53:20 GMT
The only snag is that it leaves Shaftesbury short on numbers, which you've solved at the Wiltshire end by taking the Lavingtons from Devizes and Till from Salisbury. But in fact, you only need one of these, not both. I feel the Lavingtons definitely belongs in Devizes, but I can see a case for taking Till from Salisbury and I'll give this some serious thought. This arrangement would give us: Shaftesbury and Westbury 72519; Salisbury 73760; Devizes 75543. No objections, m'lord, the Lavingtons being a case of b) lack of local knowledge. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 2, 2016 17:12:48 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 2, 2016 18:05:51 GMT
I'd be very surprised if the BCE touched Taunton Deane at all considering it is both within quota and contiguous with the district.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 2, 2016 19:46:12 GMT
You have to mess with at least one of the Somerset seats that's in quota because of the shape of the three that are outside of it, unless you go across a county border again. There is a better case for leaving Taunton Deane alone as it entirely covers one primary authority, as pointed out above.
It's worth nothing that the zombie review combined Keynsham with Kingswood, although I would not favour that approach this time. I much prefer Adrian's two options that would see me end up in a 'Glastonbury' constituency (let's resurrect 'Burnham and Glastonbury' while we're at it) rather than staying in 'Wells'.
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Post by Adrian on Jun 2, 2016 20:32:51 GMT
GKR: Yes, first map should have TD as a whole-district seat; I've corrected it. I've deleted the third map because I'm not really happy with it.
I know that there'll still be a Somerton & Frome seat at the next election, but I'm not convinced that people would design one if they were starting from scratch.
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Post by mrpastelito on Jun 3, 2016 22:18:28 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Jun 10, 2016 22:41:13 GMT
My revised Cornwall & Devon plans (with the cross-Tamar constituency including Bude & Launceston instead of Saltash).
1. St Ives (73,971). Expanded to gain Hayle North/South and Gwinear-Gwithian & St Erith wards.
2. Falmouth & Camborne (75,631). Expanded to gain Falmouth.
3. Truro & St Austell (75,019). Loses Falmouth, gains St Austell and surrounding area and is restored to pre-2010 boundaries.
4. Bodmin (75,431). Most of South East Cornwall plus Bodmin town; restored to pre-1983 boundaries.
5. Newquay & Wadebridge (72,447). Essentially North Cornwall pre-1983 except for the towns of Launceston and Bude.
6. Torrington & Launceston (72,436). All of Torridge district plus the remainder of Cornwall (Bude and Launceston area).
7. Tavistock & Plympton (73,474). Most of West Devon (except Okehampton), plus all Plympton wards and Southway ward in Plymouth.
8. Totnes (72,634). Gains Charterlands and Ermington & Ugborough wards in South Hams and Ipplepen ward in Teignbridge.
9. Newton Abbot (71,099). Loses Ipplepen and Ambrook wards, gains Chudleigh and Kenn Valley wards.
10. Torquay (71,459). As Torbay with name changed.
11. North Devon (73,240). Unchanged.
12. Exeter (71,404). Unchanged.
13. Plymouth North (75,751). The Plymouth wards of Peverell, Ham, St Budeaux, Honicknowle, Budshead, Eggbuckland, Southway, and Moor View.
14. Plymouth South (78,406). The Plymouth wards of Plymstock (both), Drake, Sutton & Mount Gould, St Peter & The Waterfront, Stoke, Devonport, Efford & Lipson, and Compton.
15. Tiverton & Honiton (75,818). Unchanged.
16. Central Devon (71,717). Gains Bridestowe, Tamarside, Milton Ford, and Mary Tavy wards in West Devon and Ambrook in Teignbridge; loses Chudleigh & Kenn Valley in Teignbridge.
17. Exmouth & Sidmouth (76,372). Same boundaries as East Devon with name changed.
Unfortunately I was not able to find a way in which to create workable separate Tiverton and Honiton seats and thus abolish the awkward Central Devon. The disappearing constituencies are North Cornwall, Truro & Falmouth, St Austell & Newquay, and Torridge & West Devon.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 12, 2016 14:01:41 GMT
On my last post: I have found a way to separate Tiverton and Honiton (which were in separate constituencies named after them until 1997), but it creates a mess of the areas in question:
1. Tiverton (72,204): The Mid Devon wards of Castle, Lowman, Cranmore, Westexe, Clare & Shuttern, Silverton, Cadbury, Way, Sandford & Creedy, Taw Vale, Taw and Upper Yeo, plus the West Devon wards of Okehampton North/South, Hatherleigh, Bridestowe, Tamarside, Milton Ford, Mary Tavy, South Tawton, Drewsteignton, and Chagford, and the Teignbridge wards of Moorland, Bovey, Ashburton & Buckfastleigh, Haytor, and Ambrook.
2. Honiton (71,477). The East Devon wards of Sidmouth (all), Honiton (all), Axminster Town/Rural, Beer & Braniscombe, Seaton, Trinity, Yarty, Newbridges, Otterhead, Coly Valley, Feniton & Buckerell, Tale Vale, and Dunkeswell, plus the Mid Devon wards of Cullompton (all), Bradminch, Upper Culm, Canonsleigh, Lower Culm, and Halberton.
3. Exmouth (75,597). All East Devon wards not in Honiton plus the Mid Devon wards of Newbrooke, Yeo, Boniface, and Lawrence, and the Exeter wards of Topsham and St Loyes.
4. Newton Abbot (75,728). Loses Ipplepen and Ambrook wards, gains Chudleigh, Kenn Valley, Teign Valley, and Teignbridge North wards.
Other constituencies are as above; this version of Tiverton actually contains most of the current Central Devon seat.
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and your Tiverton & Honiton does look a bit mangled, but I really liked your Exe Valley suggestion so I've come up with another idea:
