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Post by greenhert on Mar 1, 2016 15:10:20 GMT
Onto Wiltshire (NB: Swindon North only has to lend half of its southern ward of Western to Swindon South for equalisation purposes):
Chippenham: Most of North Wiltshire except the town of Calne, which is transferred to a redrawn Devizes, but including Chippenham, restoring the seat to its pre-1983 boundaries as much as is possible. Electorate: 75,333.
Devizes: Gains all the Calne wards from North Wiltshire but loses Durrington & Larkhill and Bulford, Allington & Fingledean wards to a redrawn Salisbury. Electorate: 75,889.
Salisbury: All of the extant Salisbury constituency minus the ward of Fovant and Chalke Valley but plus the two wards removed from Devizes mentioned above. Electorate: 73,506.
Trowbridge: This new constituency covers the all wards in Wiltshire's county town of Trowbridge, and all the wards of the towns of Melksham, Bradford-on-Avon, and Corsham plus the rural wards of Winsley & Westwood, Summerham & Seed, Box & Colerne, and Holt & Staverton. Electorate: 74,449.
Westbury & Shaftesbury: The rest of Wiltshire (which has the town of Westbury in it) plus the rest of North Dorset not already contained in any other Dorset constituency. Electorate: 71,612.
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Post by swindonlad on Mar 1, 2016 17:05:52 GMT
Onto Wiltshire (NB: Swindon North only has to lend half of its southern ward of Western to Swindon South for equalisation purposes): Chippenham: Most of North Wiltshire except the town of Calne, which is transferred to a redrawn Devizes, but including Chippenham, restoring the seat to its pre-1983 boundaries as much as is possible. Electorate: 75,333. Devizes: Gains all the Calne wards from North Wiltshire but loses Durrington & Larkhill and Bulford, Allington & Fingledean wards to a redrawn Salisbury. Electorate: 75,889. Salisbury: All of the extant Salisbury constituency minus the ward of Fovant and Chalke Valley but plus the two wards removed from Devizes mentioned above. Electorate: 73,506. Trowbridge: This new constituency covers the all wards in Wiltshire's county town of Trowbridge, and all the wards of the towns of Melksham, Bradford-on-Avon, and Corsham plus the rural wards of Winsley & Westwood, Summerham & Seed, Box & Colerne, and Holt & Staverton. Electorate: 74,449. Westbury & Shaftesbury: The rest of Wiltshire (which has the town of Westbury in it) plus the rest of North Dorset not already contained in any other Dorset constituency. Electorate: 71,612. BTW, there are 2 wards in Swindon which are in both North & South Swindon. Looking at the boundaries of of the 2 Swindon constituencies, I went for the more obvious boundaries of the Great Western Mainline & (as near as possible) the A419. Your suggestion would split 2 communities, Liden in the East & Western to the north of the Railway line We suffered from an appalling local boundary review - this is going to cause some changes to ensure that parliamentary constituencies don't add to these issues |
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Post by lennon on Mar 1, 2016 17:15:50 GMT
Thinking about Dorset another way - the obvious linking looking at the numbers is with Wiltshire, and the most natural link with Wiltshire would be the top of North Dorset (ie Gillingham / Shaftesbury) If you take the Districts of West Dorset, Weymouth and Portland, and North Dorset they come to a quota of 2.33 - If you pass 0.33 of a quota to Wiltshire then you have a clean 2 seats as follows: South-West Wiltshire: (24,143) Takes the 2 Shaftesbury wards (East and West), the 2 Gillingham wards (Town and Rural), Motcombe & Bourton, The Beacon, The Stours & Marnhull, and Sturminster Newton. Weymouth, Portland and Dorchester: (73,855) The closest that you can come to an 'urban' seat, this takes the whole of Weymouth and Portland, the 4 Dorchester wards, plus the wards of Broadmayne & Crossways, Chickerell & Chesil Bank, and Winterbourne St Martin to link the 2 together. Bridport and Blandford: (73,479) A large and extensive rural Dorset seat that takes the rest of West Dorset district, plus all of North Dorset that hasn't been passed to Wiltshire. You then have a quota of 5.09 (5 seats) from the Districts of Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch, East Dorset and Purbeck - all of which look to, or are centred on the urban conurbation. So to come to the remainder of Dorset, I would suggest the following: East Dorset The whole of the East Dorset region, with the sole addition of the Merley and Bearwood ward from Poole. Christchurch and Bournemouth East The whole of the Christchurch region, with the addition of East Southbourne and Tuckton, Littledown and Iford, West Southbourne, Boscombe East and Boscombe West. I am quite pleased with this as it appears to split Bournemouth in a relatively naturally place and is a good consistent seat. Purbeck and Poole Harbour The whole of the Purbeck region, with the addition of wards Hamworthy West, Hamworthy East, Poole Town, Parkstone, Penn Hill and Canford Cliffs from Poole (ie those wards of Poole which look to the Harbour / Town rather than towards Bournemouth) Poole North The remaining Poole wards with the addition of Kinson North, Kinson South and the Wallisdown portion of Wallisdown and Winton West ward from Bournemouth in order to both straighten the boundaries and add enough electors. Bournemouth Central Made up of wards Central, East Cliff and Springbourne, Moordown, Queen's Park, Redhill and Northbourne, Strouden Park, Talbot and Branksome Woods, Throop and Muscliff, Westbourne and West Cliff, Winton East and the other portion (the Winton West half) of Wallisdown and Winton West. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 1, 2016 19:16:39 GMT
All of lennon's plans seem far too radical for the Commission ever to except them, but I realise that we're very much at the 'forget realism' stage with the figures only having been released recently.
As for one of greenhert's more acceptable suggestions: I'd love to see Swanage mentioned in the name of a constituency, but I'm more attracted to iain's idea of reuniting it with Wareham.
Moving back to my patch of Somerset – I've tried to make it work by leaving the two North Somerset seats intact, but you end up with a vastly undersized seat somewhere unless you mess with Somerton & Frome and/or Yeovil unnecessarily. In the zombie review, both those seats were over the quota, so it made sense to create a new seat that stretched from the coast all the way inland to the Mendip ward of Evercreech, but that is no longer the case. My original proposal, after a couple of ward swaps, still seems the least untidy solution for the county.
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 1, 2016 20:29:11 GMT
Heres my plan for Somerset. Taunton / N Somerset / WSM are completely unchanged, while Bridgwater and Yeovil just lose a ward or two.  Bath (75570) Bridgwater and West Somerset (75203) North East Somerset (71478) North Somerset (75979) Somerton and Frome (71203) Taunton Deane (78187) Wells (72722) Weston-Super-Mare (75333) Yeovil (74076) |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 1, 2016 22:00:30 GMT
Heres my plan for Somerset. Taunton / N Somerset / WSM are completely unchanged, while Bridgwater and Yeovil just lose a ward or two. Bath (75570) Bridgwater and West Somerset (75203) North East Somerset (71478) North Somerset (75979) Somerton and Frome (71203) Taunton Deane (78187) Wells (72722) Weston-Super-Mare (75333) Yeovil (74076) Excellent work-you should present this map to the Boundary Commisssion. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 1, 2016 22:29:30 GMT
We need more islands to bring the 2 seats up to quota. Sheppey & Canvey would do it. How about Sodor? I think your calculations have gone somewhat awdry....  |
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Post by lennon on Mar 2, 2016 1:53:17 GMT
All of lennon's plans seem far too radical for the Commission ever to except them, but I realise that we're very much at the 'forget realism' stage with the figures only having been released recently. As for one of greenhert's more acceptable suggestions: I'd love to see Swanage mentioned in the name of a constituency, but I'm more attracted to iain's idea of reuniting it with Wareham. Moving back to my patch of Somerset – I've tried to make it work by leaving the two North Somerset seats intact, but you end up with a vastly undersized seat somewhere unless you mess with Somerton & Frome and/or Yeovil unnecessarily. In the zombie review, both those seats were over the quota, so it made sense to create a new seat that stretched from the coast all the way inland to the Mendip ward of Evercreech, but that is no longer the case. My original proposal, after a couple of ward swaps, still seems the least untidy solution for the county. I appreciate that my plans don't satisfy 'Minimum Change' - I just wondered if it was possible to split the current (somewhat artificial in my mind) linking of Swanage and Weymouth with something more natural, and what the consequences would be. In reality West Dorset and South Dorset will no doubt be effectively unchanged with minor single ward adjustments. Shame though... (in my view) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 2, 2016 18:32:13 GMT
To my mind the best place to cross the Tamar is in the South east of Cornwall as Saltash and Torpoint are essentially Plymouth commuter towns. Therefore you can create five Cornish seats more or less similar to the pre-1983 arrangements as follows:  St Ives - regains Hayle and other areas lost in 2010 - 73,971 Falmouth & Camborne - regains Penryn and Falmouth - 75,631 Truro & St Austell - loses Falmouth, regains St Austell - 73,059 North Cornwall - gains Newquay and surrounds, loses Bodmin - 74,125 Bodmin - The Cornwall SE seat, gains Bodmin from North Cornwall plus some areas to the East of ST Austell and loses Saltash, Torpoint, Rame and St Germans to the new cross-county seat - 72,123 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 2, 2016 18:39:45 GMT
 Plymouth Devonport - Compton, Devonport, Eggbuckland, Ham, Peverell, St Budeaux, St Peter and the Waterfront, Stoke - 73,958 Plymouth Sutton - Drake, Efford and Lipson, Moor View,Plympton Chaddlewood, Plympton Erle, Plympton St Mary, Plymstock Dunstone, Plymstock Radford, Sutton and Mount Gould - 74,220 Plymouth Outer (or whatever) - From Cornwall: Saltash, Torpoint, Rame, St Germans. From Plymouth: Budshead, Honicknowle, Southway, From South Hams: Bickleigh & Cornwood, Ermington & Ugborough, Ivbridge East, Ivybridge West, Newton & Yealampton, Wembury & Brixton, Woolwell - 77,433 Yes I am serious |
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Post by johnr on Mar 2, 2016 19:12:21 GMT
I think that makes a lot of sense, and probably captures PLymouth's economic hinterland fairly well.
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Post by swindonlad on Mar 2, 2016 19:22:14 GMT
I was looking to see if you can remove the Plymouth Outer, but keep the same overall wards amongst the 3 constituencies - including one to the east based on the South Hams wards, Plympton & Plymstock (i.e. use River Plym as a boundary & one centred on the River Tamar
1) Tamar OR Saltash & Plymouth West - Cornish wards plus Devonport, St Budeaux, St Peter and the Waterfront, Stoke & Drake (76,865)
2) Plymouth East - Compton, Eggbuckland, Ham, Peverell, Efford and Lipson, Sutton and Mount Gould, Budshead & Southway (73,850)
3) Ivybridge & Plympton - South Hams wards, 3 Plympton wards, 2 Plymstock wards & Moor View (74,896)
now going to play with Wiltshire & see what I can do with SW Wilts as the partial constituency
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2016 22:01:18 GMT
I appreciate that my plans don't satisfy 'Minimum Change' - I just wondered if it was possible to split the current (somewhat artificial in my mind) linking of Swanage and Weymouth with something more natural, and what the consequences would be. In reality West Dorset and South Dorset will no doubt be effectively unchanged with minor single ward adjustments. Shame though... (in my view) Yes, Swanage certainly gravitates more to the north and east towards Wareham and Poole than back west, but to be fair, the 'artificial' Dorset South did return Jim Knight to the Commons on two occasions. Sadly, West Dorset never kept its end of the bargain despite intervention from Billy Bragg, so Oliver Letwin is still an MP to this day. My grandfather live in Lyme Regis for a short while between the 2005 and 2010 elections, so he wouldn't have had the chance to vote for him. I was a regular visitor to Swanage in my youth and am going back there later this month for the first time in nearly 8 years. I've only ever been to Weymouth for the sailing at the 2012 Olympics, though. I agree with swindonlad that Plymouth should drop all this 'Sutton' and 'Devonport' folly and accept either a north/south or west/east split, with the seat names to match. It's about time for Ivybridge to mentioned in the title of a constituency too. I don't think they'd like the orphaned ward from Sedgemoor ending up in NE Somerset, but other than that, it's potentially very acceptable work. The names of all nine current seats are retained after all. Thanks to greatkingrat for bringing to my attention that Taunton Deane is (just about!) in quota after all. This means Somerset has only one oversized seat compared to 4 in the zombie review. Coupled with the fact that a cross-border seat with Gloucestershire is no longer required either, that means there's much less scope for radical changes. Bath is the only 'doughnutted' seat in the country outside of the more famous example of York Central. Therefore, it has to take wards from Jacob Rees-Mogg Land to get within the threshold, which then leaves NE Somerset itself far too small. I think you can bring it back to the minimum tolerated number of electors using only wards from Mendip District, however. Equally, there's no justification for altering Yeovil as it's within the quota and entirely surrounded by seats inside the quota. It's basically a matter of personal choice as to which of the other in-quota seats you change around to get the size of Bridgwater constituency down slightly. I'll have to ponder this more later as my original proposals no longer even seem like a good starting point. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 2, 2016 22:39:04 GMT
Bath is the only 'doughnutted' seat in the country outside of the more famous example of York Central. Therefore, it has to take wards from Jacob Rees-Mogg Land to get within the threshold, which then leaves NE Somerset itself far too small. I think you can bring it back to the minimum tolerated number of electors using only wards from Mendip District, however. If you don't take Cheddar, then NE Somerset would need Rodney & Westbury, St Cuthbert Out North, and Cranmore, Doulting & Nunney instead. That would mean NE Somerset coming right up to the edge of Wells itself, which is not ideal either. The problem is if you keep both Taunton Deane and Yeovil untouched, that forces the other seats to all be close to the lower limit which doesn't give you much flexibility. Somerton & Frome needs extra voters from somewhere to replace the areas lost to NE Somerset and if you don't want to split Shepton Mallet or Street then taking Ivelchester from Yeovil seems the best option.[/quote] |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 2, 2016 23:23:02 GMT
Bath is the only 'doughnutted' seat in the country outside of the more famous example of York Central. Therefore, it has to take wards from Jacob Rees-Mogg Land to get within the threshold, which then leaves NE Somerset itself far too small. I think you can bring it back to the minimum tolerated number of electors using only wards from Mendip District, however. If you don't take Cheddar, then NE Somerset would need Rodney & Westbury, St Cuthbert Out North, and Cranmore, Doulting & Nunney instead. That would mean NE Somerset coming right up to the edge of Wells itself, which is not ideal either. The problem is if you keep both Taunton Deane and Yeovil untouched, that forces the other seats to all be close to the lower limit which doesn't give you much flexibility. Somerton & Frome needs extra voters from somewhere to replace the areas lost to NE Somerset and if you don't want to split Shepton Mallet or Street then taking Ivelchester from Yeovil seems the best option. [/quote] Absolutely right. Look at what the commission did with Gosport last time. It was in quota and the one seat it borders was in quota but to ensure that the rest of South East Hants wasn't an unholy mess Gosport added a ward and Fareham expanded to make up for it. This Somerset model looks entirely sensible to me keeping minimal change and appropriate changes where there has to be. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 3, 2016 0:52:52 GMT
With respect, that's hardly a fair comparison. Since Gosport is on the coast, it's not able to be surrounded completely by other seats. It also bordered both Portsmouth constituencies to the east, which were below the old quota on the 2010 figures. So, I don't see what that has to do with Yeovil's position here. If he sends it in with that explanation for the orphan ward, I suspect the Commission will like it. It's not his fault that Cheddar and Shipham currently share a ward, and ward-splitting shouldn't be needed in a rural shire county, so together they will stay. Basically, from my point of view, the new rules and inherent conservatism of the Commission can frack off, though. |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 3, 2016 1:26:09 GMT
With respect, that's hardly a fair comparison. Since Gosport is on the coast, it's not able to be surrounded completely by other seats. It also bordered both Portsmouth constituencies to the east, which were below the old quota on the 2010 figures. So, I don't see what that has to do with Yeovil's position here. The point is that Fareham and Gosport were both within quota (and in fact both are this time too). Fareham is Gosport's only land link (the below quota of the Portsmouth seats is irrelevant because there's no bridge or tunnel link across Portsmouth Harbour and there's no way the commission would have sanctioned a cross harbour seat with no land link) so you could have left both seats entirely alone. However, you change the seats because it enables the other seats in the county to work better. That's the case with Yeovil here. Keeping it absolutely the same just because it's in quota which makes everything else more difficult is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. And making it a bit smaller and still keeping it in quota is minimal change because it helps minimal change elsewhere. |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 3, 2016 1:39:25 GMT
However, you change the seats because it enables the other seats in the county to work better. That's the case with Yeovil here. Keeping it absolutely the same just because it's in quota which makes everything else more difficult is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. And making it a bit smaller and still keeping it in quota is minimal change because it helps minimal change elsewhere. Forgive my lack of knowledge of your corner of Hampshire, but this is the South West thread after all. I'm not saying you shouldn't change a seat just because it's in quota. I'm saying that you shouldn't alter a seat that is within the quota * AND* is entirely surrounded by fellow in-quota seats. I have no problem with making any of the other 5 seats in Somerset bigger or smaller as necessary, including my own, because they border constituencies that are outside the quota. There is no justification for doing that in the case of Yeovil here. |
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Post by swindonlad on Mar 8, 2016 18:53:39 GMT
Onto Wiltshire (NB: Swindon North only has to lend half of its southern ward of Western to Swindon South for equalisation purposes): Chippenham: Most of North Wiltshire except the town of Calne, which is transferred to a redrawn Devizes, but including Chippenham, restoring the seat to its pre-1983 boundaries as much as is possible. Electorate: 75,333. Devizes: Gains all the Calne wards from North Wiltshire but loses Durrington & Larkhill and Bulford, Allington & Fingledean wards to a redrawn Salisbury. Electorate: 75,889. Salisbury: All of the extant Salisbury constituency minus the ward of Fovant and Chalke Valley but plus the two wards removed from Devizes mentioned above. Electorate: 73,506. Trowbridge: This new constituency covers the all wards in Wiltshire's county town of Trowbridge, and all the wards of the towns of Melksham, Bradford-on-Avon, and Corsham plus the rural wards of Winsley & Westwood, Summerham & Seed, Box & Colerne, and Holt & Staverton. Electorate: 74,449. Westbury & Shaftesbury: The rest of Wiltshire (which has the town of Westbury in it) plus the rest of North Dorset not already contained in any other Dorset constituency. Electorate: 71,612. Only just had time to look at this; I can't get these numbers to agree - there are 6 split wards, have you kept these split? |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 15, 2016 17:44:13 GMT
A start on Cornwall & Devon: St Ives - 74,230 (up to Constantine, Crowan, Gwinear) Falmouth & Camborne - 75,624 (up to Mount Hawke, Carharrack, Mabe, Feock) Truro & St Austell - 75,030 (up to Perranporth, Ladock, St Dennis, Roche, Bugle, Penwithick, St Austell Bay) North Cornwall - 77,781 (up to Newlyn, St Enoder, St Columb, St Issey, St Teath, Altarnun, Stokeclimsland) Bodmin - 75,453 (up to Saltash) Plymouth Devonport & Saltash - 73,353 (Saltashx4, Devonport, Drake, Ham, Honickowle, St Budeaux, St Peter, Stoke) Plymouth Sutton - 73,898 (all other Plymouth wards, excepting Plympton, Plymstock) Tavistock & Plympton - 74,706 (Plymstockx2, Plymptonx3; Bickleigh, Wembury, Ivybridgex2; Bere Ferrers, Buckland, Burrator, Tavistockx3) Could also add a part of Dartmoor ward Torbay - 71,459 (unchanged) Totnes - 75,363 (remainder of Torbay & South Hams council areas) With regards to the other Devon constituencies, Exeter, East Devon, and North Devon should all stay intact.
The major problem here is rearranging the rest of Devon, particularly given the way the new South Hams wards have been drawn meaning your original Tavistock & Plympton is no longer viable (also, Plymstock is quite a large suburb of Plymouth; Tavistock & Plymouth East would be a better name in my opinion)
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