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Post by iain on Feb 26, 2016 18:16:32 GMT
A start on Cornwall & Devon:
St Ives - 74,230 (up to Constantine, Crowan, Gwinear)
Falmouth & Camborne - 75,624 (up to Mount Hawke, Carharrack, Mabe, Feock)
Truro & St Austell - 75,030 (up to Perranporth, Ladock, St Dennis, Roche, Bugle, Penwithick, St Austell Bay)
North Cornwall - 77,781 (up to Newlyn, St Enoder, St Columb, St Issey, St Teath, Altarnun, Stokeclimsland)
Bodmin - 75,453 (up to Saltash)
Plymouth Devonport & Saltash - 73,353 (Saltashx4, Devonport, Drake, Ham, Honickowle, St Budeaux, St Peter, Stoke)
Plymouth Sutton - 73,898 (all other Plymouth wards, excepting Plympton, Plymstock)
Tavistock & Plympton - 74,706 (Plymstockx2, Plymptonx3; Bickleigh, Wembury, Ivybridgex2; Bere Ferrers, Buckland, Burrator, Tavistockx3)
Could also add a part of Dartmoor ward
Torbay - 71,459 (unchanged)
Totnes - 75,363 (remainder of Torbay & South Hams council areas)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 18:54:49 GMT
Ohh. Constantine is really Falmouth; the Tavistock constituency is a right sprawl. . ;-).
But the Devonport hinterland is the other side of the Bridge there..maybe look at North Devon to take in Bude?
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Post by iain on Feb 26, 2016 19:02:29 GMT
Ohh. Constantine is really Falmouth; the Tavistock constituency is a right sprawl. . ;-). But the Devonport hinterland is the other side of the Bridge there..maybe look at North Devon to take in Bude? St Ives needs Constantine to get over quota. It's really the only option to make sense. The Tavistock constituency is going to be a sprawl whatever happens. I prefer Saltash with Plymouth to crossing the Tamar further up but that could go either way. |
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Post by Foggy on Feb 26, 2016 20:15:32 GMT
Plymouth Devonport & Saltash - 73,353 (Saltashx4, Devonport, Drake, Ham, Honickowle, St Budeaux, St Peter, Stoke) Plymouth Sutton - 73,898 (all other Plymouth wards, excepting Plympton, Plymstock) How about simply 'Plymouth North and Saltash' and 'Plymouth South'? The other possibility for 'Devonwall' would be to look to Bideford and Launceston again. Let's hope these are the only areas that produce cross-border seats this time. The aforementioned proposals to keep the separate territorial integrity of Gloucestershire, Bristol and Somerset intact will therefore be valid. I think you must mean *West* Devon here. |
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Post by swindonlad on Feb 27, 2016 10:45:42 GMT
Take 1 at Swindon & Wiltshire - looking for 2 in Swindon & 4.66 in Wiltshire (the 0.66 neighbours on Dorset)
Both authorities have wards that cross constituencies & so need changes
Swindon:
Western & Mannington causes the main problem - it's half in the area of West Swindon (south) & half in north Swindon. Along with this Lydiard & Freshbrook and Shaw will need to be in the same seat. In order to keep the areas north of the railway main lane I am proposing that West Swindon is combined with North Swindon rather than South
This would mean a reorientation in Swindon to a Swindon North West and a Swindon South East constituency.
For the South East the areas to the east of the A419 are moved to the South East constituency
Swindon South East - South Swindon, less West Swindon wards add, the rest of Covingham & Dorcan, along with St Margaret and South Marston and Blunsdon and Highworth (75,713)
Swindon North West - North Swindon, the opposite of the above movements (72,873)
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Post by swindonlad on Feb 27, 2016 10:59:21 GMT
For Wiltshire there will be 4.66 constituencies:
Chippenham, current constituency, less Summerham and Seend, both Bradford-on-Avon & Winsley and Westwood add in Box and Colerne, By Brook & Kington, along with the rest of Corsham Without and Box Hill (74,066)
Devizes, current constituency, less Marlbough wards and Aldbourne and Ramsbury, Bromham, Rowde and Potterne and West Selkley and add in Amesbury x2, Bourne and Woodford Valley, Till and Wylye Valley,Wilton and Lower Wylye Valley and Winterslow. All of Bulford, Allington and Figheldean is here (71,334)
Marlborough & Royal Wotton Bassett - Based on North Wilts less Box and Colerne, By Brook & Kington and replace with Marlbough wards and Aldbourne and Ramsbury, Bromham, Rowde and Potterne and West Selkley. All of Summerham and Seend is here (74,497)
South West Wiltshire - current less Tisbury and parts of Summerham and Seend, Fovant and Chalke Valley, Nadder and East Knoyle add in parts of Winsley and Westwood and both Bradford-on-Avon (72,703)
Salisbury & N Dorset, all of Salisbury along with Alderbury and Whiteparish, Downton and Ebble Valley, Fovant and Chalke Valley, Laverstock, Ford and Old Sarum, Nadder and East Knoyle, Redlynch and Landford and Tisbury (54,124 - rest from north Dorset)
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Post by cibwr on Feb 27, 2016 11:45:47 GMT
If Cornwall has a quota of 5.2 seats it should be possible to have 5 seats without much difficulty and obviating a need for any Devonwall seat.
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 27, 2016 12:01:10 GMT
If Cornwall has a quota of 5.2 seats it should be possible to have 5 seats without much difficulty and obviating a need for any Devonwall seat. No, Cornwall has 5.27 quotas, and it's impossible to fit five seats into that without at least one of them being too large. There will be a Devonwall seat. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 27, 2016 12:08:04 GMT
Technically Cornwall has 5.246 quotas, so it would be possible with very exact ward splitting. Of course then you have the problem of what to do with the 0.022 quotas from the Isles of Scilly!
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 27, 2016 12:21:42 GMT
Technically Cornwall has 5.246 quotas, so it would be possible with very exact ward splitting. Of course then you have the problem of what to do with the 0.022 quotas from the Isles of Scilly! Add it to the Isle of Wight in a "Sandbanks" seat?  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 27, 2016 12:25:25 GMT
Include them with Eileen and her Wotsits?
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Post by lennon on Feb 27, 2016 12:31:14 GMT
Technically Cornwall has 5.246 quotas, so it would be possible with very exact ward splitting. Of course then you have the problem of what to do with the 0.022 quotas from the Isles of Scilly! Add it to the Isle of Wight in a "Sandbanks" seat? Scilly, Needles, Lundy etc. - A 'Southern Isles' seat.. :-) |
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Post by John Chanin on Feb 27, 2016 12:32:56 GMT
We need more islands to bring the 2 seats up to quota. Sheppey & Canvey would do it.
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 27, 2016 12:34:22 GMT
any space for Walney?
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Post by lennon on Feb 27, 2016 12:55:26 GMT
We need more islands to bring the 2 seats up to quota. Sheppey & Canvey would do it. You could add Hayling... Am sure it wouldn't be missed by Havant. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 1, 2016 10:45:31 GMT
Plans for Dorset seats (cross-county seat not included here):
West Dorset: Now entirely contiguous with the district of West Dorset. Electorate: 77,712.
Bournemouth West: Loses the Poole wards of Alderney and Branksome East but gains the Bournemouth wards of Moordown and Strouden Park. Electorate: 72,438.
Bournemouth East & Christchurch: Both Bournemouth and Christchurch were really in Hampshire, not Dorset, which is why this constituency has existed before. This loses the aforementioned wards of Moordown and Strouden Park and absorbs the Christchurch wards of Town Centre, Mudeford and Friars Cliff, Jumpers, Portfield, and Purewell and Stanpit. Electorate: 75,215.
East Dorset: The remaining wards of the Christchurch district plus all of East Dorset except the wards of Wimborne Minster and Corfe Millen. Electorate: 77,619.
South Dorset: The borough of Weymouth & Portland, and all of the district of Purbeck except the wards of Lytchett Minster and Upton West, Lytchett Minster & Upton East, and Lytchett Matravers. Electorate: 73,407.
I will work on Poole once I have time to construct the unfortunately necessary Wiltshire/Dorset seat (likely to be Warminster & Shaftesbury).
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Post by iain on Mar 1, 2016 10:53:30 GMT
Plans for Dorset seats (cross-county seat not included here): West Dorset: Now entirely contiguous with the district of West Dorset. Electorate: 77,712. Bournemouth West: Loses the Poole wards of Alderney and Branksome East but gains the Bournemouth wards of Moordown and Strouden Park. Electorate: 72,438. Bournemouth East & Christchurch: Both Bournemouth and Christchurch were really in Hampshire, not Dorset, which is why this constituency has existed before. This loses the aforementioned wards of Moordown and Strouden Park and absorbs the Christchurch wards of Town Centre, Mudeford and Friars Cliff, Jumpers, Portfield, and Purewell and Stanpit. Electorate: 75,215. East Dorset: The remaining wards of the Christchurch district plus all of East Dorset except the wards of Wimborne Minster and Corfe Millen. Electorate: 77,619. South Dorset: The borough of Weymouth & Portland, and all of the district of Purbeck except the wards of Lytchett Minster and Upton West, Lytchett Minster & Upton East, and Lytchett Matravers. Electorate: 73,407. I will work on Poole once I have time to construct the unfortunately necessary Wiltshire/Dorset seat (likely to be Warminster & Shaftesbury). Weymouth & Portland requires a West Dorset ward to attach to Purbeck. |
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Post by lennon on Mar 1, 2016 11:49:08 GMT
Thinking about Dorset another way - the obvious linking looking at the numbers is with Wiltshire, and the most natural link with Wiltshire would be the top of North Dorset (ie Gillingham / Shaftesbury)
If you take the Districts of West Dorset, Weymouth and Portland, and North Dorset they come to a quota of 2.33 - If you pass 0.33 of a quota to Wiltshire then you have a clean 2 seats as follows:
South-West Wiltshire: (24,143) Takes the 2 Shaftesbury wards (East and West), the 2 Gillingham wards (Town and Rural), Motcombe & Bourton, The Beacon, The Stours & Marnhull, and Sturminster Newton.
Weymouth, Portland and Dorchester: (73,855) The closest that you can come to an 'urban' seat, this takes the whole of Weymouth and Portland, the 4 Dorchester wards, plus the wards of Broadmayne & Crossways, Chickerell & Chesil Bank, and Winterbourne St Martin to link the 2 together.
Bridport and Blandford: (73,479) A large and extensive rural Dorset seat that takes the rest of West Dorset district, plus all of North Dorset that hasn't been passed to Wiltshire.
You then have a quota of 5.09 (5 seats) from the Districts of Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch, East Dorset and Purbeck - all of which look to, or are centred on the urban conurbation.
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Post by iain on Mar 1, 2016 12:11:40 GMT
We can have a West Dorset seat unchanged except for ward-realignment, while South Dorset would need only one extra Purbeck ward (Wareham IIRC).
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Post by greenhert on Mar 1, 2016 14:18:16 GMT
Thinking about Dorset another way - the obvious linking looking at the numbers is with Wiltshire, and the most natural link with Wiltshire would be the top of North Dorset (ie Gillingham / Shaftesbury) If you take the Districts of West Dorset, Weymouth and Portland, and North Dorset they come to a quota of 2.33 - If you pass 0.33 of a quota to Wiltshire then you have a clean 2 seats as follows: South-West Wiltshire: (24,143) Takes the 2 Shaftesbury wards (East and West), the 2 Gillingham wards (Town and Rural), Motcombe & Bourton, The Beacon, The Stours & Marnhull, and Sturminster Newton. Weymouth, Portland and Dorchester: (73,855) The closest that you can come to an 'urban' seat, this takes the whole of Weymouth and Portland, the 4 Dorchester wards, plus the wards of Broadmayne & Crossways, Chickerell & Chesil Bank, and Winterbourne St Martin to link the 2 together. Bridport and Blandford: (73,479) A large and extensive rural Dorset seat that takes the rest of West Dorset district, plus all of North Dorset that hasn't been passed to Wiltshire. You then have a quota of 5.09 (5 seats) from the Districts of Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch, East Dorset and Purbeck - all of which look to, or are centred on the urban conurbation.
With this in mind (I would like to point out that your SW Wiltshire is really the equivalent of the Warminster & Shaftesbury proposed seat I described earlier), my Poole seats will be thus:
Poole South and Swanage: Covers all of Purbeck district plus the Poole wards of Hanworthy West/East, Poole Town, Parkstone, and Canford Cliffs. Electorate: 75,484.
Poole North: The remainder of Poole plus the East Dorset wards of Corfe Mullen and Wimborne Minster but minus the ward of Branksome East (only moved to Bournemouth West due to electoral equality rules, by the way) . Electorate: 75,050.
Bournemouth West's new electorate becomes 77,836 in this scenario.
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