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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 8, 2016 21:13:11 GMT
Overall I think the SW is not bad, barring Tewkesbury, where Coombe Hill should just be split, and the Bournemouth area. As no-one has posted anything on this thread for quite some time: is this the general consensus? I for one would certainly agree. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 8, 2016 23:47:41 GMT
The Commission obviously put a lot of time and effort into this one. Apart from the odd bit of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire that needs tweaking, the proposed map is a thing of beauty.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2016 23:49:11 GMT
The Commission obviously put a lot of time and effort into this one. Apart from the odd bit of Gloucestershire and Wiltshire that needs tweaking, the proposed map is a thing of beauty. They must have spent all their time on that, then realised that they had to do the North East as well and chucked out random shapes. |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 8, 2016 23:50:53 GMT
Indeed, and despite being based in this region and never having visited the North East, I find that unacceptable and grossly improper conduct.
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 13, 2016 14:17:46 GMT
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Post by lennon on Oct 13, 2016 14:32:36 GMT
It's perhaps a minor point - but does anyone else get irrationally irritated by the photo caption in that article: NO IT'S NOT - The River is the historic boundary - not the damn bridge. If you can't even get something as obvious as that correct in your articles I don't think complaining about a Devonwall constituency really flys... (Rant over...) |
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 13, 2016 21:58:03 GMT
Bizarre. I could understand if there was opposition to it in Devon, but in Cornwall? They're getting an upgrade after all. |
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 14, 2016 7:25:07 GMT
Bizarre. I could understand if there was opposition to it in Devon, but in Cornwall? They're getting an upgrade after all. Preservation of Cornwall and Cornish identity, I guess the feeling is that if they sign off this it could be the start of a slippery slope. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 14, 2016 13:04:48 GMT
They fell down the bloody hill over a millenium ago.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 25, 2016 22:23:07 GMT
- Central Devon looks ridiculous (though it always will to some extent) - NE Somerset seems to go over about seventeen local government districts - While Mid Dorset and Poole North was always a bit odd, I'm not convinced a seat that's essentially 'Bournemouth North and Poole North' is much better in terms of local communities - There's nothing particularly northern about North Dorset, nor much eastern about East Dorset, so these could probably be named better I have put together a fiendish 'double Devonwall' solution that also involves transferring one East Devon ward to a Dorset seat, but allows Central Devon to be eliminated entirely. NE Somerset only needs to take a few Mendip wards from the current Wells constituency. I don't know why other attempts at Somerset have failed to realise this. Any seat that follows the 'Mid [ county name] and [ large town] [ compass direction]' pattern in its name is always going to be hideous. It's tougher to get rid of completely in the case of Dorset, though. I would suggest 'Bridport and Sherborne' for your North Dorset (which reaches the coast, for goodness' sakes!) and 'Great Swanage' for your East Dorset. Oh, and greenhert needs to get on a bus from the city centre to Cribbs Causeway and then come back and try reasserting that Filton is not effectively part of Bristol. could I see this plan please? |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 25, 2016 23:20:24 GMT
I have a Devon-Cornwall plan which I think a lot of people will enjoy, as it eliminates Central Devon OPTION 1 (Okehampton-Launceston & Tavistock-Liskeard) East Devon 71477 Exmouth 75544 Exeter 73536 Mid Devon 71728 North Devon 72758 Teignbridge 74675 Torbay 71459 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL Totnes 71249 South West Devon 71930 Plymouth East 76519 Plymouth West 75115 Okehampton & Launceston 76734 Tavistock & Liskeard 73223 Bodmin & St Austell 73206 Truro & Newquay 71331 Falmouth & Camborne 72184 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL St Ives 73971 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL  OPTION 2 (Tamar Valley) East Devon 71477 Yes Exmouth 75544 Yes Exeter 73536 Yes Mid Devon 71728 Yes North Devon 72758 Yes Teignbridge 74675 Yes Torbay 71459 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL Totnes 71249 South West Devon 71930 Plymouth East 76519 Plymouth West 75115 Tamar Valley 74509 Bodmin & Newquay 72961 St Austell 74643 Truro 72381 Falmouth & Camborne 72184 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL St Ives 73971 IDENTICAL TO INITIAL PROPOSAL  |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 26, 2016 2:50:01 GMT
I have put together a fiendish 'double Devonwall' solution that also involves transferring one East Devon ward to a Dorset seat, but allows Central Devon to be eliminated entirely. could I see this plan please? Unfortunately I have switched laptops during this review and never completed the version I was working on, nor took a screenshot, before my previous PC gave up the ghost. I exported the data before that happened, but it doesn't seem to re-attach itself to Boundary Assistant in the way the 2013 version used to. It would take ages to re-add it manually. Anyway, as mentioned above I cheated by adding one ward from East Devon DC (Trinity, currently in Tiverton & Honiton) to a Dorset seat. I was sure there must be a way to do it without crossing that border, but didn't want to start in west Cornwall again and just got lazy by the end. All the constituencies across the two counties were of course very near the upper limit, probably as close as you could get in most cases without ward splits. It also wasn't part of a comprehensive SW plan as apart from Devonwall, I'd only finished doing Bristol and Dorset at that point. The knock-on effect is that the rest of the region would have one more seat to play with, go I guess Gloucestershire or Wiltshire would've been the beneficiary. Besides, it looks like you've come up with two better ways of achieving the elimination of Central Devon on your own, so you don't really need to see it.  EDIT: Hang on, both of yours have a 'Mid Devon' which isn't even coterminous with the district! Do you not understand what the objection to 'leftovers' seats like Central Devon is? |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 26, 2016 2:56:56 GMT
could I see this plan please? Unfortunately I have switched laptops during this review and never completed the version I was working on, nor took a screenshot, before my previous PC gave up the ghost. I exported the data before that happened, but it doesn't seem to re-attach itself to Boundary Assistant in the way the 2013 version used to. It would take ages to re-add it manually. Anyway, as mentioned above I cheated by adding one ward from East Devon DC (Trinity, currently in Tiverton & Honiton) to a Dorset seat. I was sure there must be a way to do it without crossing that border, but didn't want to start in west Cornwall again and just got lazy by the end. All the constituencies across the two counties were of course very near the upper limit, probably as close as you could get in most cases without ward splits. It also wasn't part of a comprehensive SW plan as apart from Devonwall, I'd only finished doing Bristol and Dorset at that point. The knock-on effect is that the rest of the region would have one more seat to play with, go I guess Gloucestershire or Wiltshire would've been the beneficiary. Besides, it looks like you've come up with two better ways of achieving the elimination of Central Devon on your own, so you don't really need to see it. :P EDIT: Hang on, both of yours have a 'Mid Devon' which isn't even coterminous with the district! Do you not understand what the objection to 'leftovers' seats like Central Devon is? Mid Devon could also be called Tiverton & Crediton but unlike Central Devon it is not a leftovers seat, it is a solid combination of similar areas that the commission would not do because it breaks up North Devon (logicaly) by removing the rural southern bits and adding Bideford and Westward Ho! |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 26, 2016 3:00:58 GMT
Mid Devon could also be called Tiverton & Crediton but unlike Central Devon it is not a leftovers seat, it is a solid combination of similar areas that the commission would not do because it breaks up North Devon (logical[l]y) by removing the rural southern bits and adding Bideford and Westward Ho! Yes, don't get me wrong – it's still an improvement on Central Devon, but it's not as radical as what I was describing upthread. It'd definitely be preferable to call it 'Tiverton and Crediton' to avoid confusion with the district, especially as Tiverton is already mentioned in the name of a current seat. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 28, 2016 7:18:44 GMT
Mid Devon could also be called Tiverton & Crediton but unlike Central Devon it is not a leftovers seat, it is a solid combination of similar areas that the commission would not do because it breaks up North Devon (logical[l]y) by removing the rural southern bits and adding Bideford and Westward Ho! Yes, don't get me wrong – it's still an improvement on Central Devon, but it's not as radical as what I was describing upthread. It'd definitely be preferable to call it 'Tiverton and Crediton' to avoid confusion with the district, especially as Tiverton is already mentioned in the name of a current seat. But it is the best possible without crossing the Exe south of Exeter or splitting Exeter, resulting in Exeter East and Exeter West, Crediton & Dawlish |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 10:45:39 GMT
"Devonwall" is an abomination.
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 31, 2016 11:04:50 GMT
"Devonwall" is an abomination. No, it's the first step to Greater Devon by finally doing away with that Cornish nonsense. They should've been conquered centuries ago. If they don't like it they can always go to Cornouaille and join their refugee brethren over there. Cornwall to be renamed 'Southwest Devon' with Plymouth imposed as administrative HQ of the BC. Just kidding of course - I wouldn't want to see Devon saddled with Cornwall. If the Cornish don't want to share a constituency with Devon I suggest all Cornish nationalists do the honourable thing for the greater good so the remaining population of Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly fit into 5 seats. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 11:11:52 GMT
Scratch a Devonian and underneath you will find a Cornishman... You know in your heart its true, throw off your Saxon shackles and be British...
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 31, 2016 11:14:20 GMT
Scratch a Devonian and underneath you will find a Cornishman... You know in your heart its true, throw off your Saxon shackles and be British... Shush! Don't say that aloud! |
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 31, 2016 11:21:49 GMT
In fact a Cornish colleague once remarked to me that Devonians were nothing but Cornish who for some obscure reason believed they were English. I was left with no choice but to kill him, of course.
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