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[Penddu]

And lets face it...UKIP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Referendum...but once Brexit lose UKIP will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

[carlton43]

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Referendum...but once Brexit lose UKIP will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

Yes, the incidence of 'deranged' lunatics is most worrying, but it is a small minority; whereas the compliment of 'normal' lunatics in PC is as we know majoritarian.

[lennon]

Equally - A couple of years ago you could (and many people did) say:

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP the SNP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Independance Referendum...but once Brexit SNP lose UKIP they will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

[The Bishop]

This comparison is getting aired quite a lot recently - I personally think it is rather glib.

The obstacles to sweeping UKIP success are far more profound and systematic than they were for the SNP. And its not like the two referendums are directly comparable, either (not least of the factors being - partly *because* of the Scottish experience - the very different way the Labour leadership has approached this one)

[carlton43]

Apr 24, 2016 14:57:50 GMT Sibboleth said:

Regarding the idea that we are 'full': more people used to live in the seriously rural parts of the countryside than do now. Populations frequently peaked in the 19th century, in the case of rural Wales often in the mid 19th century at that. Meanwhile in industrial areas in Wales populations often peaked in the early 20th century. The town my Taid was born in has something like less than half the population it did at start of the 20th century. An extreme case of course.

Where are these 'seriously' rural parts of the countryside? I live in a rather casual and flippant part of the countryside. Population densities vary over time as we ebb and flow between hunter/gatherer, agriculturalists, stock breeders, industrial workers and then post industrial IT backed repopulation of the more boondock parts. The 'Full' is not a relationship to Central Wales and Highlands of Scotland but more to school places, hospital waiting lists, chances of social housing and low wages...........But like many lefties you are not much concerned about any of that are you? Just rant for more and more spending. blame the evil Toreeeze and let the working class in urban pinch points suffer all the detriment of your long term love affair with immigration. 

[Lord Twaddleford]

Apr 27, 2016 11:21:07 GMT lennon said:

Equally - A couple of years ago you could (and many people did) say:

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP the SNP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Independance Referendum...but once Brexit SNP lose UKIP they will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

A valid point I dare say, but I wonder how much of that was attributable to the chronic failure that is the Scottish Labour Party...?

[Pete Whitehead]

Apr 27, 2016 11:18:49 GMT carlton43 said:

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Referendum...but once Brexit lose UKIP will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

Yes, the incidence of 'deranged' lunatics is most worrying, but it is a small minority; whereas the compliment of 'normal' lunatics in the Green parties is as we know majoritarian.

And more to the point in Plaid Cymru (especially if the contributors to this site are typical)

[East Anglian Lefty]

Apr 27, 2016 11:30:41 GMT carlton43 said:

Apr 24, 2016 14:57:50 GMT Sibboleth said:

Regarding the idea that we are 'full': more people used to live in the seriously rural parts of the countryside than do now. Populations frequently peaked in the 19th century, in the case of rural Wales often in the mid 19th century at that. Meanwhile in industrial areas in Wales populations often peaked in the early 20th century. The town my Taid was born in has something like less than half the population it did at start of the 20th century. An extreme case of course.

Where are these 'seriously' rural parts of the countryside? I live in a rather casual and flippant part of the countryside. Population densities vary over time as we ebb and flow between hunter/gatherer, agriculturalists, stock breeders, industrial workers and then post industrial IT backed repopulation of the more boondock parts. The 'Full' is not a relationship to Central Wales and Highlands of Scotland but more to school places, hospital waiting lists, chances of social housing and low wages...........But like many lefties you are not much concerned about any of that are you? Just rant for more and more spending. blame the evil Toreeeze and let the working class in urban pinch points suffer all the detriment of your long term love affair with immigration. 

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

[greenchristian]

Apr 27, 2016 11:18:49 GMT carlton43 said:

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Referendum...but once Brexit lose UKIP will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

Yes, the incidence of 'deranged' lunatics is most worrying, but it is a small minority; whereas the compliment of 'normal' lunatics in the Green parties is as we know majoritarian.

Have you ever even met a Green Party member?

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aye. Nothing at all has anything to do with immigration - not even immigration.

[carlton43]

Apr 27, 2016 17:04:11 GMT greenchristian said:

Apr 27, 2016 11:18:49 GMT carlton43 said:

Yes, the incidence of 'deranged' lunatics is most worrying, but it is a small minority; whereas the compliment of 'normal' lunatics in the Green parties is as we know majoritarian.

Have you ever even met a Green Party member?

Happily not.

EDIT

But, I must apologise for confusing my colours again. The whole post should have been directed to PC and not the Green parties. Corrected. 

[carlton43]

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Apr 27, 2016 11:30:41 GMT carlton43 said:

Where are these 'seriously' rural parts of the countryside? I live in a rather casual and flippant part of the countryside. Population densities vary over time as we ebb and flow between hunter/gatherer, agriculturalists, stock breeders, industrial workers and then post industrial IT backed repopulation of the more boondock parts. The 'Full' is not a relationship to Central Wales and Highlands of Scotland but more to school places, hospital waiting lists, chances of social housing and low wages...........But like many lefties you are not much concerned about any of that are you? Just rant for more and more spending. blame the evil Toreeeze and let the working class in urban pinch points suffer all the detriment of your long term love affair with immigration. 

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Yes! Thanks Pete. My misdirected fire has now been corrected. But I can't term it friendly fire as my feelings about the Green parties are allied.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Apr 27, 2016 20:49:37 GMT @szczecinianin said:

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aye. Nothing at all has anything to do with immigration - not even immigration.

Oh, a lot of things are to do with immigration. But none of the cases advanced to suggest that 'Britain is full' hold up to any scrutiny.

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2016 22:32:37 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Apr 27, 2016 20:49:37 GMT @szczecinianin said:

Aye. Nothing at all has anything to do with immigration - not even immigration.

Oh, a lot of things are to do with immigration. But none of the cases advanced to suggest that 'Britain is full' hold up to any scrutiny.

Clearly, that is your opinion on the matter. But as you are an 'abject moron', you opinion doesn't count for a great deal.

[neilm]

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Apr 27, 2016 11:30:41 GMT carlton43 said:

Where are these 'seriously' rural parts of the countryside? I live in a rather casual and flippant part of the countryside. Population densities vary over time as we ebb and flow between hunter/gatherer, agriculturalists, stock breeders, industrial workers and then post industrial IT backed repopulation of the more boondock parts. The 'Full' is not a relationship to Central Wales and Highlands of Scotland but more to school places, hospital waiting lists, chances of social housing and low wages...........But like many lefties you are not much concerned about any of that are you? Just rant for more and more spending. blame the evil Toreeeze and let the working class in urban pinch points suffer all the detriment of your long term love affair with immigration. 

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aren't school places really quite a big issue in some places?

[finsobruce]

Apr 28, 2016 4:25:15 GMT neilm said:

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aren't school places really quite a big issue in some places?

Well yes, but not for that reason. In London at least the pressure is in the better off areas where there are more applications than places pretty much every year. And a lot of people will have applied to many, many places to keep their options open.  The problem with school places in not so well off areas (such as where i was a school governor for twenty three years) is the high turnover in population making predicting numbers, and therefore consistent budgeting, very difficult.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Apr 28, 2016 4:25:15 GMT neilm said:

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aren't school places really quite a big issue in some places?

Yes, but they're a very big issue in certain discrete areas, and not an issue at all in others. It's not really a nationwide issue.

[Deleted]

Apr 28, 2016 4:25:15 GMT neilm said:

Apr 27, 2016 16:15:52 GMT East Anglian Lefty said:

Except that school places aren't a big issue in most places, hospital waiting lists have very little to do with immigration (except insofar as it may be necessary to reduce them), social housing has even less to do with immigration and wages are highest in the areas with most migration.

Aren't school places really quite a big issue in some places?

Massive around me in Putney. Increasingly hard to get your child into a nearby state primary.

The number of parents who are forking out top dollar they can't really afford to send their child privately becauwe they weren't offered a nearby school is enormous.

[Merseymike]

Apr 29, 2016 8:02:42 GMT joe said:

Apr 28, 2016 4:25:15 GMT neilm said:

Aren't school places really quite a big issue in some places?

Massive around me in Putney. Increasingly hard to get your child into a nearby state primary.

The number of parents who are forking out top dollar they can't really afford to send their child privately becauwe they weren't offered a nearby school is enormous.

It seems to be a major problem in many parts of London. Is it because of population shift or schools being in areas where there are now few families?

[minionofmidas]

Apr 27, 2016 11:21:07 GMT lennon said:

Equally - A couple of years ago you could (and many people did) say:

Apr 27, 2016 11:15:00 GMT Penddu said:

And lets face it...UKIP the SNP are probably at their high tide mark....they are getting lots of publicity because of the Euro Independance Referendum...but once Brexit SNP lose UKIP they will self destruct because they have a higher than normal quota of deranged lunatics in their ranks.

Now... actually having thought that... that's what makes a "deranged lunatic". Not support for some party or other.