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Post by Hash on Dec 14, 2015 17:04:27 GMT
Not sure why I even bother anymore, but Xavier Bertrand is not 'very polarizing' or a particularly extreme 'right-winger'. Where would you place him ideologically? He's a bland uninteresting local right-wing baron who, like many other establishment figures of the then UMP, transitioned seamlessly from being Chirac stalwarts to Sarkozy stalwarts, although Bertrand is more ambitious (his ambitions will go nowhere, though) than other stalwarts and as such he is playing his own game (but is bad as playing it). He was a mediocre and unremarkable as cabinet minister in the various governments, and while he did several things to make him unpopular with certain people, they were not important enough to make him a 'very polarizing' figure by any stretch of the imagination (besides, I vaguely remember that when he was in cabinet, he was trying to play up a pathetic 'Mr Nice Guy' image). I doubt most normal people care very much about him. On the other hand, the other victor of last night's FN-right 'duel', Christian Estrosi, is a more polarizing figure and could be described more unambiguously as a 'right-winger' within the party, although that is probably in part the result of his local political environment since he's not a dogmatic fire-breathing hard-rightist outside of a few dumb inanities here and there. Estrosi is also an idiot. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 14, 2015 17:42:52 GMT
Not sure why I even bother anymore, but Xavier Bertrand is not 'very polarizing' or a particularly extreme 'right-winger'. In the uk we most likely never see labour give up the "east Midlands or any area" to help the cons beat ukip as all the right is evil to sections of the labour party/other left. No, I think the reason is that there'd be no point standing down. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 14, 2015 17:49:16 GMT
The coverage of FN's performance in these elections has been pathetic. The amount of people shocked at how well they did in the first round and then equally surprised that they didn't actually win any regions just shows how clueless some people. There is nothing remotely surprising about the results in either round.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 14, 2015 19:11:48 GMT
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Post by seanf on Dec 14, 2015 21:32:43 GMT
In reality, they won 356, up from 118.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 16, 2015 1:06:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 1:56:56 GMT
Good that the FN lost, they are insane. Just look at their famous mayor who hung up posters of guns everywhere. I am no fan of UKIP but the FN are 1000x worse.
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Post by neilm on Dec 17, 2015 2:49:00 GMT
The oddest thing he did was ban washing on balconies, the gun posters seemed to go down quite well.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 17, 2015 19:17:26 GMT
The oddest thing he did was ban washing on balconies, the gun posters seemed to go down quite well. Is this Menard we're talking about? He's an interesting figure, and he's also not a member of the FN- he was originally the chosen candidate (although independent) of Nicolas Dupont-Aignan's Debout la Republique. He used to be the head of Reporters Without Frontiers. |
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Post by neilm on Dec 17, 2015 19:28:44 GMT
Yes, in Beziers. I don't get the clothes on balconies ban, because although there are a lot of North Africans and Franco fleeing gitanos in the centre it's a fairly common practice in that part of France.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2015 0:23:29 GMT
the famously shitty and grim town of Saint-Dizier Jesus wept you weren't exagerrating were you! www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Saint-Dizier,+France/@48.6344991,4.9553875,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47eb80956f454177:0x40a5fb99a3b2370 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 18, 2015 0:27:59 GMT
Whats the story with Auvergne being so good for the UMP these days? I always remember it being pretty strong for the left, at least in Allier and Puy de Dome
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 18, 2015 0:36:50 GMT
That is a genuinely pathetic PS map and is even worse when you realise it is being kept respectable in some regions by personal votes...
I make it twelve PS seats where their candidate ended up polling in the lowest of Hash's bands. Of course France being France half of them will be re-elected even as 'stronger' seats are lost.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 18, 2015 0:38:38 GMT
Whats the story with Auvergne being so good for the UMP these days? I always remember it being pretty strong for the left, at least in Allier and Puy de Dome Regional elections are local beauty contests held over a wide area. The mainstream Right's candidate there was Laurent Wauquiez who Auvergnats love for some reason. |
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