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Post by The Bishop on Jan 28, 2015 11:04:17 GMT
I thought that Romanians were Dacians (or maybe Thracians)? Several posts on the "Dacio-Romanian Continuity Theory" coming up, perhaps??  |
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Post by maxque on Jan 28, 2015 11:14:07 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? Could there be some in Sicily? |
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Post by mboy on Jan 28, 2015 11:21:49 GMT
Like the Phoenicians, they got everywhere...
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 28, 2015 12:14:27 GMT
If Syriza weren't elected to dance to the EU's tune,then why should the Germans and Finns agree to dance to Syriza's tune. Greece has spent the money. They doubled their debt as a proportion of GDP in twenty years and nearly trebled it by 2005. The current situation is a smokescreen for a Greek political class,and electorate,who milked the cow to death without bothering to feed it,and are now blaming the vet. That spending binge has to be paid for. No lender forced them to hold an Olympics,fail to effectively collect tax,let people retire on final salary in their fifties,hand out nice little sinecures and create a noxious,incestuous business environment where the lines of State and business were blurred. But if that actually prevents recovery it is not feasible. The EU allowed them to join the Euro in the first place, despite not meeting the criteria, so I think they ought to take collective responsibility - indeed, that is the only way the Euro can possibly operate in any case |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 28, 2015 12:16:10 GMT
Was most boring and lacking in imagination also asked? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 28, 2015 12:38:53 GMT
I thought that Romanians were Dacians (or maybe Thracians)? Several posts on the "Dacio-Romanian Continuity Theory" coming up, perhaps?? They were,but it's suspected that Dacians and Illyrians were the same ethnic group,and much of Romanian's basic wordstock has examples which are linked to Albanian. It's a fascinating and enormously controversial topic! |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 28, 2015 12:54:39 GMT
Like the Phoenicians, they got everywhere... what have the Phoenicians ever done for us? |
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Post by neilm on Jan 28, 2015 13:04:49 GMT
They gave us pasties.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:48:23 GMT
Romans 1-14 - I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:49:07 GMT
Macedonia is named after a housing estate in Glenrothes and one of their councilors is called Altany Craik.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 28, 2015 15:08:14 GMT
The connection with Cornwall is no coincidence, then. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 28, 2015 15:24:34 GMT
Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. If you believe that (which isnt unreasonable) then we aren't 'Britons' (I.e. Celts) either, but descendants of ice age hunter-gatherers who moved in as the ice retreated, and neolithic farmers who diffused in around 3000BC... In this case I'm using Britons just as a label for 'people who lived in what's now England before the Angles, Saxons and Jutes arrived' which as you say really goes back pre Celtic. It's all in the genetics... |
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Post by neilm on Jan 28, 2015 15:26:27 GMT
The connection with Cornwall is no coincidence, then. Indeed. They came for the tin. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 28, 2015 15:38:39 GMT
Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? Their attitude towards Macedonia is pathetic. Absolutely. But worse is their attitude and action towards their own indigenous Slavophones. Remarkably oppressive. |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Jan 28, 2015 16:47:00 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Actually better to think of Greeks as Turks who are Eastern Orthodox... It's the definition which fits the most (Language and Genetic Origins wouldn't especially before the 20th Century). |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 28, 2015 17:13:14 GMT
It literally was the definition of 'Greek' until the 19th century.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 28, 2015 17:19:02 GMT
The connection with Cornwall is no coincidence, then. Indeed. They came for the tin. and founded Ginsters |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 30, 2015 23:25:34 GMT
As one of the three people who 'voted' on here for Independent Greeks I'm now feeling slightly sheepish... I am one of the other people who voted for them and would do so again. Quite a few opinion polls showed the the Independent Greeks struggling to reach the 3% threshold but in the event they easily passed it and now they are sitting in government. Well done the Independent Greeks. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 31, 2015 8:55:24 GMT
Some campaign ads from the election
SYRIZA
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Post by Devonian on Jan 31, 2015 8:59:05 GMT
New Democracy Ad
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