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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 27, 2015 19:28:19 GMT
I think they need a more effective state. Not the neoliberal privatisation failure pursued elsewhere. The Greeks need a workers' state apparatus. I've worked in more efficient third world places. This has everything to do with neoliberalism. Fixed that for you... |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 27, 2015 19:30:43 GMT
'Engage'? They weren't elected to dance to their tune. I hope they don't. The Greeks do not and should have the power to vote down their debts. Their attempts to do so are frankly pathetic. If the response is anything other a lack of willingness to negotiate from the eu then the problem of other anti-world parties like the greens and Podemos will only grow. The problem must be confined, the baby strangled at birth. On the contrary, the Greeks have every right to elect whomever they damn well please on whatever policy platform they like the look of. Democracy's a bitch. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 27, 2015 20:14:43 GMT
Right minding. Predatory lenders must be strangled at death, as must austerity. Tax evaders, too. Nobody wants or likes the current situation is Greece. To blame the lenders rather than a ludicrous misuse of public f is astonishing though. I do think than significant and huge reform in needed in Greece. I however, fear a victory of the austerity fanboys. They would feel empowered to do push harder in other countries. They have too much powers and they must be reined it. I mean, they can hut or help an economy by a simple word. That's too powerful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:37:23 GMT
The Greeks do not and should have the power to vote down their debts. Their attempts to do so are frankly pathetic. If the response is anything other a lack of willingness to negotiate from the eu then the problem of other anti-world parties like the greens and Podemos will only grow. The problem must be confined, the baby strangled at birth. On the contrary, the Greeks have every right to elect whomever they damn well please on whatever policy platform they like the look of. Democracy's a bitch. That is fine and dandy but not contrary. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 27, 2015 20:49:32 GMT
Wonderful to see that most Brits understand that regardless of a couple of misunderstandings with Jerry it is the French who are our most implacable enemy. |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 27, 2015 20:51:56 GMT
Wonderful to see that most Brits understand that regardless of a couple of misunderstandings with Jerry it is the French who are our most implacable enemy. And that the Italians are astutely aware of their own duplicity... |
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Post by thirdchill on Jan 27, 2015 20:52:54 GMT
Italians regard themselves as the least trustworthy? Unusual. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 27, 2015 20:59:05 GMT
What gets me is the Poles regarding the Germans as both the most and the least Trustworthy  |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 27, 2015 20:59:52 GMT
Wonderful to see that most Brits understand that regardless of a couple of misunderstandings with Jerry it is the French who are our most implacable enemy.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 27, 2015 23:56:45 GMT
What gets me is the Poles regarding the Germans as both the most and the least Trustworthy Poles can trust them to keep their word but can't trust them to keep to themselves ! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 27, 2015 23:58:46 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people.
And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 28, 2015 0:04:48 GMT
I'm assuming the table is genuine and hasn't been doctored by someone...
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Post by neilm on Jan 28, 2015 0:06:56 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Indeed, you mention the Dorians to them and they don't like the suggestion that they're all from the Balkans. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 28, 2015 4:27:23 GMT
Wonderful to see that most Brits understand that regardless of a couple of misunderstandings with Jerry it is the French who are our most implacable enemy. I bet the numbers supporting that are highest in Pompey (probably Plymouth as well) and radiate out from the South Coast generally decreasing as you get further North. I suppose it's still the racial memory of the South Coast towns and cities being sacked on numerous occasions over the years. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 28, 2015 4:36:46 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? |
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Post by markgoodair on Jan 28, 2015 5:27:06 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? Their attitude towards Macedonia is pathetic. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 28, 2015 8:05:42 GMT
Greece,like Hungary and Romania, is based on a bizarre racist myth where they are the infallible descendants of a famed civilised or powerful people. And chances are the Greeks are Hellenised Slavs anyway. Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? Turkey mostly |
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Post by mboy on Jan 28, 2015 8:44:01 GMT
Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. If you believe that (which isnt unreasonable) then we aren't 'Britons' (I.e. Celts) either, but descendants of ice age hunter-gatherers who moved in as the ice retreated, and neolithic farmers who diffused in around 3000BC... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 28, 2015 9:34:52 GMT
Whereas the English racial myth is that we're all descendants of the Anglo-Saxons with a few Normans chucked in rather than the fact most of our ancestors are Britons who were anglicised. Still, it doesn't really matter what the genes say, it's the cultural memory that counts. I've heard the argument about modern day Greeks before. Where are the descendants of the 'original' Greeks then? Turkey mostly Or they were in Turkey until the Greek state decided to try and recreate Byzantium. As for the mainland,they are likely to have been assimilated into the Slavic populations that they Hellenised. The only real remnant of pre- Roman population there is probably the Albanians,although it is suspected that the Romanians are mostly Romanised Illyrians,the Illyrians being the ancestors of the Albanians too. |
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