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Post by manchesterman on Oct 10, 2014 0:36:30 GMT
<<<< off to get ears syringed (hopefully on the NHS!!)
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Post by right on Oct 10, 2014 0:39:02 GMT
Lib Dems held deposit. Have Labour really increased their share of the vote? Yes, by 0.6%. I wonder if Labour will be making much of increasing their share of the vote now? Dugher just said that. Twice. Silly me. And the succesful candidate as well. |
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Post by bigsharon on Oct 10, 2014 0:39:12 GMT
Shameless whipping up of racial tensions has clearly worked well for UKIP here, they must be so proud.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 0:39:26 GMT
Disappointing more Con voters didn't go ukip here. Would have been funny.
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Post by neilm on Oct 10, 2014 0:43:15 GMT
Shameless whipping up of racial tensions has clearly worked well for UKIP here, they must be so proud. Remind me what the Labour candidate said? |
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Post by right on Oct 10, 2014 0:49:12 GMT
Shameless whipping up of racial tensions has clearly worked well for UKIP here, they must be so proud. As Denis Macshane admitted, it was this attitude that allowed the problem to scale up. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 0:49:57 GMT
If an MP wins by just 617 votes (6k last time) should they start winning speech with "People gave their backing to Ed Miliband's plans" ?
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 10, 2014 0:52:07 GMT
Everyone was saying it would be 45%-35% about 30 minutes before the result was declared. So much for guessing the result from watching the count...
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 10, 2014 0:56:16 GMT
I started to feel queasy about this one after hearing that UKIP were using (with considerable success) the old LibDem favourite "you only have to lend us your vote until the GE" trick - which works all the better with less than a year to go.....
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 10, 2014 0:59:50 GMT
Did anyone else clock how spooked Labour were at the turnout? (of course you did).
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 10, 2014 1:02:14 GMT
Shameless whipping up of racial tensions has clearly worked well for UKIP here, they must be so proud. As Denis Macshane admitted, it was this attitude that allowed the problem to scale up. Do you usually quote him approvingly? You know very well the sort of stuff that is being referred to..... |
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Post by right on Oct 10, 2014 1:03:32 GMT
Dugher said that there was a 7.8% swing from Coservative to Labour.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 10, 2014 1:04:12 GMT
A man after my own heart!
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Post by right on Oct 10, 2014 1:10:21 GMT
Everyone was saying it would be 45%-35% about 30 minutes before the result was declared. So much for guessing the result from watching the count... UKIP's a hard one to call at counts as no-one really knows their strong polling districts yet. They could have been watching the wrong boxes. |
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 10, 2014 1:12:32 GMT
Based on that swing Labour would win ALL its target seats in the North West.... of course its dangerous/crazy to extrapolate like that, but its a nice bit of spin  |
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Post by independentukip on Oct 10, 2014 2:53:24 GMT
Disappointing more Con voters didn't go ukip here. Would have been funny. I expect too many were taken in by the Tory lie (repeated ad nauseum on the telly) that a vote for UKIP is a vote for Miliband. Several thousand fine people will wake up and find their vote for the Tory rather than John Bickley was the only way the truly dire Labour candidate was able to win. And many of them will assuredly be dismayed at losing the opportunity to kick Labour out of that part of Lancashire. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 10, 2014 3:48:04 GMT
Sky is reporting 3496 for Con? I am sure I heard 2496? It was 3,496 - but if one isn't sure about hearing a number like that one can check by comparing the total with the turnout. There is a discrepancy of 4 compared with the total from the verification stage, but with 2,496 it would have been 1,004. |
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Post by bungle on Oct 10, 2014 6:31:35 GMT
One other aside which may be relevant, a Labour organiser who has been up to Heywood told me that Jim Dobbin bequeathed a non-existant campaign infrastructure, with very low voter ID, and so this campaign basically had to start from scratch whilst losing key paid workers to Scotland. This I can well believe. Moribund or complacent local parties that have forgotten how to campaign are much easier prey to an insurgent alternative. It is nothing new...Liverpool Edge Hill 1979 et al. When a party has been recently fired up and has a good campaign infrastructure it can make a difference - Hartlepool 2004 springs to mind. Agreed it rarely happens when a party is in opposition but I believe this trend will only increase over time. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 10, 2014 6:34:32 GMT
My prediction of a comfortable Labour win was well off the mark. But that has to be a worry for Labour in a seat where UKIP were working from a standing start. How many of us scoffed at the idea of the Kippers coming close? And how many people suggested that recycling Bickley was a sign of UKIP weakness?
And whilst it's the usual bluster, Liz McInnes is kidding herself if she thinks this is an endorsement of Milliband- this is the electorate taking its anger out on the opposition as well as the government.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 10, 2014 6:47:58 GMT
The joker in the pack- what will happen if we see a seat with a strong Green presence and a strong UKIP presence? Does anyone know of one?
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