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Post by lbarnes on Oct 6, 2014 21:16:24 GMT
She will win, that's why it matters.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 6, 2014 21:31:42 GMT
What I think the voters would pick up from the debate was that the UKIP candidate behaved boorishly and was quite unable to justify his party's disreputable attempt to drag child protection issues into the byelection campaign.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 6, 2014 22:20:17 GMT
I don't think I've ever heard a less impressive performance than the Labour candidate on the Sunday Politics show yesterday. At least not until she was even more woeful on the local radio station this morning. Doesn't matter. She'll win. How depressing that fact is. |
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Post by right on Oct 6, 2014 22:31:27 GMT
What I think the voters would pick up from the debate was that the UKIP candidate behaved boorishly and was quite unable to justify his party's disreputable attempt to drag child protection issues into the byelection campaign. Politics exists to deal with governmental failures Child protection has not been a success. |
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Post by lbarnes on Oct 7, 2014 0:44:38 GMT
What I think the voters would pick up from the debate was that the UKIP candidate behaved boorishly and was quite unable to justify his party's disreputable attempt to drag child protection issues into the byelection campaign. The UKIP campaign does indeed seem to centre on the child protection issue but the really discreditable aspect of it is their disgraceful attempt to link it with race and immigration. |
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Post by right on Oct 7, 2014 19:46:56 GMT
What I think the voters would pick up from the debate was that the UKIP candidate behaved boorishly and was quite unable to justify his party's disreputable attempt to drag child protection issues into the byelection campaign. The UKIP campaign does indeed seem to centre on the child protection issue but the really discreditable aspect of it is their disgraceful attempt to link it with race and immigration. I haven't seen their literature but hearing their spokesmen (which admitedly could be quite different from the leaflets) they seem to be saying that it is politically correct social work managers ignored the warnings because they didn't want to draw attention to the ethnic dimension. That's not the same as linking it with race and immigration. |
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Post by lbarnes on Oct 7, 2014 21:02:39 GMT
Then you really haven't seen their literature.
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Post by right on Oct 7, 2014 21:26:24 GMT
Then you really haven't seen their literature.
That is hitting at political correctness leading to council paralysis allowing organised abuse, which has been the concensus since the Rotherham report came out. They may have sandwiched it with stuff about other party's views on immigration, but other than that the offending issues seems to be using the word "white". |
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Post by lbarnes on Oct 7, 2014 21:57:38 GMT
They apparently have run several leaflets with pages that contain only two issues that have been linked so closely that anyone could be forgiven for thinking they are one and the same. The first is the issue of child abuse by Muslims in the borough, the other is that of immigration.
You're right to say that they have used the word 'white' to describe the victims of this appalling abuse even though they were not exclusively white.
There is also another sex abuse scandal being investigated in the borough, carried out by white men. Nowhere do UKIP make reference to this or to the colour of the perpetrators. Their only concern appears to be white girls abused by Muslims. No mention of Muslim girls abused by Muslims or any young person abused by non-Muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 11:43:31 GMT
What would we all consider good and bad results for each party?
For me as long as Labour win they will take this and move on. If they lose, I can see Miliband being put under real pressure and would be a disaster.
35%+ would be excellent for UKIP and if they take the seat then the wind will be truly in their sails. Anything below 25% would be disappointing.
For conservatives expectations aren't high anyway so 20%+ would be fantastic. Losing their deposit would cause a slight concern for the party.
Similar for the Lib Dems for expectations they just don't want to lose their deposit and come below the Greens.
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 9, 2014 0:20:15 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Oct 9, 2014 13:58:02 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 9, 2014 14:20:00 GMT
".....what are thought to be" - nice plausible deniability there.
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Post by andrea on Oct 9, 2014 15:37:41 GMT
".....what are thought to be" - nice plausible deniability there. Is Marie Rimmer in town?  |
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 9, 2014 21:41:22 GMT
Bloody hell - Peter Kellner thinks the Labour majority in Heywood & Middleton may be as low as 2,000 votes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 21:49:01 GMT
Bloody hell - Peter Kellner thinks the Labour majority in Heywood & Middleton may be as low as 2,000 votes. Any chance of a UKIP victory? |
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Post by andrea on Oct 9, 2014 21:56:34 GMT
Manchester Evening News says UKIP source hoping for a 30-35% score
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Post by oldwarhorse on Oct 9, 2014 22:05:57 GMT
Surely with smaller turnouts the share is what counts at a byelection not the size of the majority. I hate it when the Today programme talks about reduced majorities in by elections. Helloooo
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Post by right on Oct 9, 2014 22:15:45 GMT
East of England UKIP MEP Time Akers on Newsnight from Clacton claiming that he's hearing that Heywood is " very close".
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Post by right on Oct 9, 2014 22:20:47 GMT
Sky saying the result will be 12.30.
Toby Perkins (Lab) saying "close, but confident"
Paul Nuttall (UKIP) claiming best UKIP result but that they've seems to think they've lost (won't say it when directly confronted).
Labour blaming Tory vote collapse
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