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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 11:50:49 GMT
If UKIP is the Party Of The Commonwealth, making vague hunts towards towns and cities 'where nobody speaks English on the bus " and all of that might be attracting entirely wrong short of people.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 30, 2014 12:21:41 GMT
The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers. Er, so you're okay with "attractive women" but not well respected business men? Read my whole post Dok. You are better than that sort of trite remark. They have two recent attractive female candidates (one was at nearby Corby?) but are thin on 'well respected business men' with recent by-election experience. That is my sole point. I prefer a local worthy of either sex, but lean towards a woman as we are weaker in our appeal to women voters. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 30, 2014 12:28:22 GMT
If UKIP is the Party Of The Commonwealth, making vague hunts towards towns and cities 'where nobody speaks English on the bus " and all of that might be attracting entirely wrong short of people. Take more water Dok........there is a shlur in your schript. Oh! And it is getting as meaningless as your HSR posts. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 30, 2014 12:28:56 GMT
That would help erode a racist-tinged image, but in this overwhelmingly white middle class seat screams of priotising cleaning up of UKIPs image rather than picking a candidate to win the election. Lets be honest, plenty of ukip voters would rather vote for a white british candidate. This by-election is (as with others in this parliament, such as Wythenshawe) is an interesting fight for 2nd - but there is no way that the tories will lose this seat. The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers. And one without any social media accounts  |
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Post by Devonian on Apr 30, 2014 13:06:41 GMT
I think he was born Pakistan but arrived in England as a child and speaks with a Yorkshire accent. He owns a restaurant in Bradford so I'm guessing that's where he was raised. but your policy is to stop people like him immigrating to the country. so I presume he has been successful, contributed to the country, paid taxes, heck he even speaks like one of us. Why would you want to stop further people like him, whether from India, Pakistan or the EU ? Him supporting that policy is the typical, I am alright Jack and now lets pull up the drawbridge. Firstly UKIP's policy is not 'my' policy. I am a UKIP voter however I am not and never have been a member of UKIP. The only party I have ever belonged to is the Conservative Party and that was many years ago. I have no plans to join any party.
Secondly with regard to UKIP its policy is not to halt immigration but to limit it using a points based system. No country in the world bases its immigration system on the desire to do a favour to would be immigrants. The British governments of the post war period did not allow Amjad's parents and many others to settle in Britain because they wanted to do them a favour. They allowed it because they calculated it would be good for UK employers to have them be able to settle. The same calculation that governments around the world use for their immigration policies.
Are immigrants and the children of immigrants supposed to all support open door policies even if that's not in their own interests or the interests of heir (new) home country on the basis of 'well they let me in why shouldn't the door be left open?'
Consider this analogy. A young person is unable to afford his own home. He finds a room in a shared house that is available an signs up to pay rent there. He arrives at the property and is greeted by one of his new housemates. He closes the door behind him.
His new housemate says "what do you think you're doing?"
He replies "I'm closing the door"
"Oh right, so you don't think we should let anyone in?"
"No not at all, if someone wants to come in they can knock on the door and we can decide whether or not to let them it"
"Well why not make it easier and just leave the door open?"
"Well because then anyone could just wander in, including thieves and other undesirable types"
"What, you've just arrived and already you hate all our neighbours, you think they're all thieves?"
"I didn't say that did I, its only sensible to have some quality control though"
"Aren't you grateful that we let you in?"
"Grateful? Excuse me this is my home to now and I have as much right as you to have a say in who is and isn't allowed in the house"
"Typical, I am alright Jack and now lets pull up the drawbridge attitude"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 13:15:35 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 30, 2014 16:02:39 GMT
The reality, however, is that outside the eponymous town there is genuinely little potential for Labour in this seat - and (just like UKIP) we are weak organisationally too. Yes, Newark town must have been pretty close to the national average in 2010, but the rest of the seat... |
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Post by David Ashforth on Apr 30, 2014 17:00:24 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 30, 2014 17:10:24 GMT
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Post by Jim on Apr 30, 2014 20:21:42 GMT
What Mr Farage has done with his "no ties to the East Midlands" excuse is effectively ruled himself out of choosing Boston & Skegness as his constituency next year, which had been tipped as one of his best options. If he does that now, you can be sure that his opponents, not to mention the media, will rake that one up.
He's not exactly my favourite politician, but he's not stupid. Hes made the right decision, but I don't believe it has anything to do with the geography of the situation or the importance of the Euro elections. He knew he wouldn't win, plain and simple.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 30, 2014 20:48:57 GMT
What Mr Farage has done with his "no ties to the East Midlands" excuse is effectively ruled himself out of choosing Boston & Skegness as his constituency next year, which had been tipped as one of his best options. If he does that now, you can be sure that his opponents, not to mention the media, will rake that one up. He's not exactly my favourite politician, but he's not stupid. Hes made the right decision, but I don't believe it has anything to do with the geography of the situation or the importance of the Euro elections. He knew he wouldn't win, plain and simple. I may be a cynic, but I think Farage winning the byelection would have been an even worse result for him. May 2014 Farage re-elected an MEP for the South East July 2014 Nigel Farage MP for Newark August 2014 Farage resigns as MEP, replaced by somebody lower on the UKIP list May 2015 Farage loses Newark at the GE June 2015 Farage signs on. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 30, 2014 20:55:49 GMT
What Mr Farage has done with his "no ties to the East Midlands" excuse is effectively ruled himself out of choosing Boston & Skegness as his constituency next year, which had been tipped as one of his best options. If he does that now, you can be sure that his opponents, not to mention the media, will rake that one up. He's not exactly my favourite politician, but he's not stupid. Hes made the right decision, but I don't believe it has anything to do with the geography of the situation or the importance of the Euro elections. He knew he wouldn't win, plain and simple. I may be a cynic, but I think Farage winning the byelection would have been an even worse result for him. May 2014 Farage re-elected an MEP for the South East July 2014 Nigel Farage MP for Newark August 2014 Farage resigns as MEP, replaced by somebody lower on the UKIP list May 2015 Farage loses Newark at the GE June 2015 Farage signs on. There was a point in early 2010 that Farage was worried that he might win Buckingham, have to stand down as an MEP, and then there be another general election 6 months later due to a hung parliament. |
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Post by Devonian on Apr 30, 2014 22:09:08 GMT
What Mr Farage has done with his "no ties to the East Midlands" excuse is effectively ruled himself out of choosing Boston & Skegness as his constituency next year, which had been tipped as one of his best options. If he does that now, you can be sure that his opponents, not to mention the media, will rake that one up. He's not exactly my favourite politician, but he's not stupid. Hes made the right decision, but I don't believe it has anything to do with the geography of the situation or the importance of the Euro elections. He knew he wouldn't win, plain and simple. I think he has ruled himself out of Boston and Skegness and I think that's deliberate. Firstly I notice that in recent Westminster by elections UKIP has followed a policy of having candidates who are local to the area or at the very least to the region and I think Farage will follow that when choosing his seat for next year. A number of UKIP's 2015 target seats will be in his home county of Kent.
Secondly when UKIP do draw up their list of target seats for 2015 Farage is likely to want a seat near the top of the list but not at the top for the simple reason that he will not want to run the risk of being UKIP's only MP. He has repeatedly said when asked about by elections that what he wants is not to be the party's sole MP but to be the head of a UKIP team in the Commons. Looking the the Greens and Respect makes clear why. Caroline Lucas had to quit as leader of the Green Party because she did not have time to combine this with her role as an MP. George Galloway is frequently criticised for constantly doing media work and having a poor attendance record.
Cameron, Clegg and Milliband are able to combine being an MP with being the leader of a major party. The are able to have poor attendance records and constantly doing media work without being criticised for it. The reason is that they are the heads of large teams of MPs in the Commons who can share out tasks. In one MP parties however the MP has to be their own HoC spokesman on every subject, their own whip and their own backbencher. And then get criticised if they don't do all those jobs. All for the sake of one vote out of 650. I am quite sure that Farage would rather not be an MP at all unless he was the head of a group of UKIP MPs.
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Post by neilm on May 1, 2014 0:18:11 GMT
Says the party of the AWS! are we the party that claims we are not like the rest ? Yes. That is exactly what your party does. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 8:37:51 GMT
It will be the 5th June
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 1, 2014 8:44:28 GMT
Conservative whips took everyone by surprise and moved the writ this morning. Clearly don't want a long build up to this one. |
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Post by Andrew_S on May 1, 2014 8:48:12 GMT
Conservative whips took everyone by surprise and moved the writ this morning. Clearly don't want a long build up to this one. Doesn't the Conmons have to be sitting for the writ to be moved? It's a bit early in the day. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 9:29:43 GMT
The age of the long byelection campaign seems dead.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 9:37:16 GMT
Interesting - I assume that the Tories want it out of the way quickly as, if it is a loss, it'll be lost in the post Euro recriminations or, if it is a hold, they can present it as a bounceback after what are expected to be terrible Euro results for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 9:37:22 GMT
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