Newark By-election

[lewishamgreen]

Not surprised by the Farage decision. If I were leader of a political party looking to make its first parliamentary breakthrough I would be wanting a seat I could hope to defend in the long-term not some random by-election win.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:03:21 GMT lewishamgreen said:

Not surprised by the Farage decision. If I were leader of a political party looking to make its first parliamentary breakthrough I would be wanting a seat I could hope to defend in the long-term not some random by-election win.

"The Galloway Option"

[Andrew_S]

I think Farage might have just won it in a by-election by 500-odd votes but would certainly lost it back to Jenrick in May 2015. So probably a wise decision.

[thirdchill]

Apr 30, 2014 10:03:21 GMT lewishamgreen said:

Not surprised by the Farage decision. If I were leader of a political party looking to make its first parliamentary breakthrough I would be wanting a seat I could hope to defend in the long-term not some random by-election win.

I agree, it's the right decision. And his reason for it 'I don't have any connection to the East Midlands' justifies the decision.

Who are potential frontrunners though if Farage isn't standing? Most of their previous by-election candidates live nowhere near Newark.

[Devonian]

From Breitbart London

There had been speculation over whether Nigel Farage, riding the crest of a popularity wave, would try to win the seat and enter the House of Commons. [...]

But overnight polling for UKIP has suggested that overturning Patrick Mercer's majority is nearly impossible, and it is believed that Farage has bowed out of the race on that basis. He told the BBC that he would be "very interested" in standing in the election which would have to take place after May 22nd.[...] 

UKIP sources have exclusively told Breitbart London that they are considering putting up Amjad Bashir, their business spokesperson. Bashir is of Pakistani extraction, and his run may help put paid to the 'racism' myth that stalks UKIP.

An unnamed source told Breitbart London: "Farage would be ill advised to run for Newark. It is no surprise that UKIP's many detractors are urging him to do it. To do so would be to take him out of the game at a crucial time for the party. UKIP has, as the last half a dozen by-elections have shown, a deep reservoir of talent. Newark will give UKIP the opportunity to showcase more of its depth'."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 0:27:16 GMT thirdchill said:

Newark presents a different problem for UKIP than some of the more recent previous by-elections.

In Eastleigh, both of the other parties in contention are in government.

In Rotherham and South Shields, no other main party besides labour had a chance of winning the seat or coming close. UKIP can position themselves as the only alternative to labour.

In Newark though, you have a Labour vote that is nowhere near as weak as eastleigh, with a lot of lib dem vote potentially to squeeze. Labour are a problem for UKIP here, they aren't going to be squeezed in the same way that us and the lib dems are in by-elections in this parliament.

The LD vote here is centered around Southwell - that will almost certainly be more tory-leaning than labour.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:32:36 GMT Devonian said:

There had been speculation over whether Nigel Farage, riding the crest of a popularity wave, would try to win the seat and enter the House of Commons. [...]

But overnight polling for UKIP has suggested that overturning Patrick Mercer's majority is nearly impossible, and it is believed that Farage has bowed out of the race on that basis. He told the BBC that he would be "very interested" in standing in the election which would have to take place after May 22nd.[...] 

UKIP sources have exclusively told Breitbart London that they are considering putting up Amjad Bashir, their business spokesperson. Bashir is of Pakistani extraction, and his run may help put paid to the 'racism' myth that stalks UKIP.

An unnamed source told Breitbart London: "Farage would be ill advised to run for Newark. It is no surprise that UKIP's many detractors are urging him to do it. To do so would be to take him out of the game at a crucial time for the party. UKIP has, as the last half a dozen by-elections have shown, a deep reservoir of talent. Newark will give UKIP the opportunity to showcase more of its depth'."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

good to see that UKIP are just like any other party and parachuting 'acceptable' candidates into a seat.

so it should be conlablibukip really

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:32:36 GMT Devonian said:

From Breitbart London

There had been speculation over whether Nigel Farage, riding the crest of a popularity wave, would try to win the seat and enter the House of Commons. [...]

But overnight polling for UKIP has suggested that overturning Patrick Mercer's majority is nearly impossible, and it is believed that Farage has bowed out of the race on that basis. He told the BBC that he would be "very interested" in standing in the election which would have to take place after May 22nd.[...] 

UKIP sources have exclusively told Breitbart London that they are considering putting up Amjad Bashir, their business spokesperson. Bashir is of Pakistani extraction, and his run may help put paid to the 'racism' myth that stalks UKIP.

An unnamed source told Breitbart London: "Farage would be ill advised to run for Newark. It is no surprise that UKIP's many detractors are urging him to do it. To do so would be to take him out of the game at a crucial time for the party. UKIP has, as the last half a dozen by-elections have shown, a deep reservoir of talent. Newark will give UKIP the opportunity to showcase more of its depth'."

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

That would help erode a racist-tinged image, but in this overwhelmingly white middle class seat screams of priotising cleaning up of UKIPs image rather than picking a candidate to win the election. Lets be honest, plenty of ukip voters would rather vote for a white british candidate.

This by-election is (as with others in this parliament, such as Wythenshawe) is an interesting fight for 2nd - but there is no way that the tories will lose this seat. 

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:40:28 GMT @ianrobo said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:32:36 GMT Devonian said:

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

good to see that UKIP are just like any other party and parachuting 'acceptable' candidates into a seat.

so it should be conlablibukip really

I love that your bizarro logic has not relented. To combat the image of racism which, among others, your party is promoting, UKIP try to do something, and that is criticised as being cynical.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:40:28 GMT @ianrobo said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:32:36 GMT Devonian said:

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

good to see that UKIP are just like any other party and parachuting 'acceptable' candidates into a seat.

so it should be conlablibukip really

Says the party of the AWS!

[carlton43]

Apr 30, 2014 10:42:31 GMT joe said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:32:36 GMT Devonian said:

From Breitbart London

www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/30/No-Nige-for-Newark

That would help erode a racist-tinged image, but in this overwhelmingly white middle class seat screams of priotising cleaning up of UKIPs image rather than picking a candidate to win the election. Lets be honest, plenty of ukip voters would rather vote for a white british candidate.

This by-election is (as with others in this parliament, such as Wythenshawe) is an interesting fight for 2nd - but there is no way that the tories will lose this seat. 

The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:51:10 GMT carlton43 said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:42:31 GMT joe said:

That would help erode a racist-tinged image, but in this overwhelmingly white middle class seat screams of priotising cleaning up of UKIPs image rather than picking a candidate to win the election. Lets be honest, plenty of ukip voters would rather vote for a white british candidate.

This by-election is (as with others in this parliament, such as Wythenshawe) is an interesting fight for 2nd - but there is no way that the tories will lose this seat. 

The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers.

Er, so you're okay with "attractive women" but not well respected business men?

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:51:10 GMT carlton43 said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:42:31 GMT joe said:

That would help erode a racist-tinged image, but in this overwhelmingly white middle class seat screams of priotising cleaning up of UKIPs image rather than picking a candidate to win the election. Lets be honest, plenty of ukip voters would rather vote for a white british candidate.

This by-election is (as with others in this parliament, such as Wythenshawe) is an interesting fight for 2nd - but there is no way that the tories will lose this seat. 

The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers.

Is Amjad from Nottinghamshire? He is British born and calls himself Peter privately, so calling him a Pakistani is probably stretching reality.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:47:16 GMT joe said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:40:28 GMT @ianrobo said:

good to see that UKIP are just like any other party and parachuting 'acceptable' candidates into a seat.

so it should be conlablibukip really

Says the party of the AWS!

Ah you see, that's different. For some in the Labour Party, people from South Asia should always, only, ever, be Labour candidates, else they must be traitors of some kind or mentally ill.

[The Bishop]

Impressive straw man even by your standards, there.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 10:47:16 GMT joe said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:40:28 GMT @ianrobo said:

good to see that UKIP are just like any other party and parachuting 'acceptable' candidates into a seat.

so it should be conlablibukip really

Says the party of the AWS!

are we the party that claims we are not like the rest ?

When in fact UKIP are like the rest of us.

[maxque]

Apr 30, 2014 10:55:46 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:51:10 GMT carlton43 said:

The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers.

Er, so you're okay with "attractive women" but not well respected business men?

I suppose he would prefer a white business, you know, someone who isn't an immigrant or the descendant on an immigrant. Immigrants steal British jobs, you know!

Well, it could be worse, it could be a Romanian business men, I'm sure there is plenty of those, now than they invaded UK.

[Deleted]

I am sure the best minds at Conservative Central Office are giving much thought to the timing of the by-election. This might be an appropriate time to repeat the advice given to the Lib Dems on the day following the resignation of Chris Huhne in Eastleigh - hold the by-election as quickly as possible and prevent the opposition building up a head of steam on the ground (sorry for the metaphors).

The Lib Dems followed this advice and moved the write almost straight-away and only just held the seat subsequently.

Any discussion about a polling day at the end of June (or later!) is simply throwing the seat away. There is still time to avoid defeat. When Mr Farage describes the election of the first UKIP MP as a 'game changer', I think he is right. This is why the Tories would be well advised to discount all other considerations and make an early by-election happen at all costs.

[Devonian]

Apr 30, 2014 10:56:47 GMT joe said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:51:10 GMT carlton43 said:

The candidate must be one of their attractive women candidates or better still a local low-key worthy who appears sound and dependable. A parachuted Pakistani would be the kiss of death in Newark and stall our national bandwagon as well, by showing we are not serious about winning but just another set of politically correct posturers.

Is Amjad from Nottinghamshire? He is British born and calls himself Peter privately, so calling him a Pakistani is probably stretching reality.

I think he was born Pakistan but arrived in England as a child and speaks with a Yorkshire accent. He owns a restaurant in Bradford so I'm guessing that's where he was raised.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 11:20:55 GMT Devonian said:

Apr 30, 2014 10:56:47 GMT joe said:

Is Amjad from Nottinghamshire? He is British born and calls himself Peter privately, so calling him a Pakistani is probably stretching reality.

I think he was born Pakistan but arrived in England as a child and speaks with a Yorkshire accent. He owns a restaurant in Bradford so I'm guessing that's where he was raised.

but your policy is to stop people like him immigrating to the country. so I presume he has been successful, contributed to the country, paid taxes, heck he even speaks like one of us.

Why would you want to stop further people like him, whether from India, Pakistan or the EU ?

Him supporting that policy is the typical, I am alright Jack and now lets pull up the drawbridge.