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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2014 11:35:28 GMT
What do you mean 'too many hops'? Outrage......outrage! It is an impossible concept. Masons of Maidstone used to brew a 'well-hopped' bitter that we introduced to young USAF aircrew in Kent because of the wonderful and immediate reaction it always caused............deep draught drunk and immediate expectoration of all of it, such was the intense bitterness. Never failed. Simple pleasures! We made our own entertainment in those days. You need to try some of these "craft beers" that the hipsters are so enamoured of- they use excessive hops to make up for the total lack of body (hello, Brewdog Punk IPA). Well-hopped bitter is indeed a delight. Joseph Holts Bitter is magnificently bitter, if you're ever in the Selnec area. Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 11:37:36 GMT
You need to try some of these "craft beers" that the hipsters are so enamoured of- they use excessive hops to make up for the total lack of body (hello, Brewdog Punk IPA). Well-hopped bitter is indeed a delight. Joseph Holts Bitter is magnificently bitter, if you're ever in the Selnec area. Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. Selnec was the name for what we know now as Greater Manchester (the word derived from South East Lancashire, North East Cheshire) |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2014 11:58:08 GMT
Sterling chap Fins. What is your source and are you of Kent? carlton - I just search the name and see what turns up in google images. The sources are usually people selling stuff on ebay (£20.00 for that label!!) or on brewery history websites. There's also a website called Kent photo archive good for pub photos. My late father was from Lewisham but went to work on the land in kent during the war through to the 1950s - generally around Maidstone. I did once go to one of his locals, which I think was the Red Lion in Lenham (which would have been a Fremlins pub at the time) but I'm not 100% sure. I have a photo somewhere but can't find it. He also visited the Man of Kent at East Peckham - but then he did have a bicycle. :)I'm a londoner though, born within a pub crawl's distance of Fuller's brewery in Chiswick. Well it was very good to have it. People of my generation do not have that built in reaction to research on separate screen for wide ranges of material. I was being schooled in Maidstone whilst you Father was was in the area. I knew the Red Lion at Lenham but the Dog and Bear better (Shepherd Neame), because as a very young clerk I ran a bank sub branch in a room at that pub in days not given over to health and safety or general security. We took the money out in a leather bag strapped to the wrist and conducted business for a couple of hours over a level desk with pints for clerk and customer on the desk. Great days. I also stopped over in it one night whilst commuting from Ashford to Maidstone by train during the great freeze winter of 1966 when the train ran into a deep drift between Charing and Lenham and I walked to the pub rather than waiting for relief by bus. I knew all the pubs in East peckham. Fuller's was a wonderful flavour but too heavy for me and made me drunk quicker and sometimes sick. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 7, 2014 12:06:49 GMT
You need to try some of these "craft beers" that the hipsters are so enamoured of- they use excessive hops to make up for the total lack of body (hello, Brewdog Punk IPA). Well-hopped bitter is indeed a delight. Joseph Holts Bitter is magnificently bitter, if you're ever in the Selnec area. Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. King and Barnes were of Horsham. They were bought out by Hall & Woodhouse about 15 years ago, and so Sussex Bitter is now brewed in Dorset (and, just like all other Hall & Woodlouse beers, utterly insipid). As a consequence, Horsham is now filled with pubs tied to a brewery that only produces dire beers, so has gone from one of the best drinking away days in the Isthmian League season to one of the worst. The 'King' of King & Barnes set up his own brewery in the town, WJ King's. K&B's head brewer has done likewise, Hepworth's. Both produce decent beers, just largely unobtainable in the pubs in the town. My trick for watching cricket at the Horsham festival is to get a carry out from the off licence in town that serves draught beer. It's far better, and cheaper, than the beer served in pubs locally, as well as the beer tent at the ground, which usually only sells beer from Greene King and the breweries it has acquired and/or shut down. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 7, 2014 12:18:52 GMT
carlton - I just search the name and see what turns up in google images. The sources are usually people selling stuff on ebay (£20.00 for that label!!) or on brewery history websites. There's also a website called Kent photo archive good for pub photos. My late father was from Lewisham but went to work on the land in kent during the war through to the 1950s - generally around Maidstone. I did once go to one of his locals, which I think was the Red Lion in Lenham (which would have been a Fremlins pub at the time) but I'm not 100% sure. I have a photo somewhere but can't find it. He also visited the Man of Kent at East Peckham - but then he did have a bicycle. :)I'm a londoner though, born within a pub crawl's distance of Fuller's brewery in Chiswick. Well it was very good to have it. People of my generation do not have that built in reaction to research on separate screen for wide ranges of material. I was being schooled in Maidstone whilst you Father was was in the area. I knew the Red Lion at Lenham but the Dog and Bear better (Shepherd Neame), because as a very young clerk I ran a bank sub branch in a room at that pub in days not given over to health and safety or general security. We took the money out in a leather bag strapped to the wrist and conducted business for a couple of hours over a level desk with pints for clerk and customer on the desk. Great days. I also stopped over in it one night whilst commuting from Ashford to Maidstone by train during the great freeze winter of 1966 when the train ran into a deep drift between Charing and Lenham and I walked to the pub rather than waiting for relief by bus. I knew all the pubs in East peckham. Fuller's was a wonderful flavour but too heavy for me and made me drunk quicker and sometimes sick. I've never been to East Peckham, though I've been to the Swan in West Peckham. At the time, I didn't know which of a cob and a pen was a male swan and which was a female. Which made going to the gents tricky the first time. I've always wanted to play cricket on the green in West Peckham. It's such a small ground I think even I could hit a six. It would make for quite efficient field positioning as well- your third man could double up as second slip! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2014 12:31:13 GMT
Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. Selnec was the name for what we know now as Greater Manchester (the word derived from South East Lancashire, North East Cheshire) Beat me to it. Selnec makes for a cheap and ludicrous shorthand for Greater Manchester. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2014 12:35:14 GMT
Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. The 'King' of King & Barnes set up his own brewery in the town, WJ King's. K&B's head brewer has done likewise, Hepworth's. Both produce decent beers, just largely unobtainable in the pubs in the town. Hepworth Sussex Bitter (and Prospect Bitter) are excellent and show up quite a bit in Tesco, but I've never seen them on draught either. What frustrates me in Hampshire is trying to find Palmers, even though it's from not a million miles away. There are some excellent newer breweries in this part of Hampshire now- the Winchester and Southampton Beer Festivals are now full of very good local beer from the local microbreweries. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2014 12:43:03 GMT
You need to try some of these "craft beers" that the hipsters are so enamoured of- they use excessive hops to make up for the total lack of body (hello, Brewdog Punk IPA). Well-hopped bitter is indeed a delight. Joseph Holts Bitter is magnificently bitter, if you're ever in the Selnec area. Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. I've no problem with a hoppy beer or a pale ale at all, Carlton, but what worries me is that there has been an explosion of these poor quality beers from substandard microbreweries that are attempting to rip off the hoppier American beers, the Sierra Nevadas etc, and are trading (much as Dok and Arthur have stated) on marketing and a sense of what is cool. They're just not comparable to a good quality British pale ale, nor to any of the decent American beers. Too many Johnny-Come-Lately types who think that brewing is cool, and will discard it soon enough when the next drinks craze (which I suspect will be gin or gin-based cocktails) turns up. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 7, 2014 12:45:02 GMT
Maybe the term for such people should be "hopster".
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 7, 2014 12:52:03 GMT
What frustrates me in Hampshire is trying to find Palmers, even though it's from not a million miles away. There are some excellent newer breweries in this part of Hampshire now- the Winchester and Southampton Beer Festivals are now full of very good local beer from the local microbreweries. Can't help you with the Hampshire bit, but Palmers Best Bitter is a regular in the Claret Free House next to Addiscombe tram stop near Croydon. Bit of a distance for you though...! As for breweries round your way, I've tried a few. Flowerpots, Flack Manor, Bowman from memory- as well as Triple fff of more long-standing ones. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2014 13:49:35 GMT
Ah! You give and you take away Devil. 'Too many hops' and now 'hipster' (I hated that term when it was but newly minted and 'hip'). However your points are all well founded along with those of Figgis. I was a CAMRA member for 40-years and have tried a lot of stuff. I prefer the very weak, pale very heavily hopped. I like Holts but it has been too long. I'm sorry to have to ask but where is Selnec? My all time favourites have been King and Barnes and Beards both of Lewes, Roses of Malton and Barnsley Bitter. King and Barnes were of Horsham. They were bought out by Hall & Woodhouse about 15 years ago, and so Sussex Bitter is now brewed in Dorset (and, just like all other Hall & Woodlouse beers, utterly insipid). As a consequence, Horsham is now filled with pubs tied to a brewery that only produces dire beers, so has gone from one of the best drinking away days in the Isthmian League season to one of the worst. The 'King' of King & Barnes set up his own brewery in the town, WJ King's. K&B's head brewer has done likewise, Hepworth's. Both produce decent beers, just largely unobtainable in the pubs in the town. My trick for watching cricket at the Horsham festival is to get a carry out from the off licence in town that serves draught beer. It's far better, and cheaper, than the beer served in pubs locally, as well as the beer tent at the ground, which usually only sells beer from Greene King and the breweries it has acquired and/or shut down. Thanks Arthur. A wealth of up to date information and a correction to imperfect memory. You are undoubtedly the chap to be with on outings. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2014 18:37:04 GMT
What frustrates me in Hampshire is trying to find Palmers, even though it's from not a million miles away. There are some excellent newer breweries in this part of Hampshire now- the Winchester and Southampton Beer Festivals are now full of very good local beer from the local microbreweries. Can't help you with the Hampshire bit, but Palmers Best Bitter is a regular in the Claret Free House next to Addiscombe tram stop near Croydon. Bit of a distance for you though...! As for breweries round your way, I've tried a few. Flowerpots, Flack Manor, Bowman from memory- as well as Triple fff of more long-standing ones. Ah, all very good breweries. If you see them, I recommend any by Itchen Valley (Alresford), Alfred's of Winchester, and Dancing Man (Southampton). Next time I'm up Croydon way I'll keep an eye out for the Claret then! |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jun 8, 2014 1:13:36 GMT
We need to make sure Kris finishes ahead of the PSP. Shall we all come up and canvass for you, Dear Leader? The irony is, I probably would have... |
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Post by baloo on Jun 8, 2014 8:50:48 GMT
The real reason our campaign in Newark was so effective was man power, not money. Hundreds of people gave up their time to work for the party and our common beliefs free of charge. Talk about money all you like but you can't change that fact. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 8, 2014 8:58:00 GMT
Money helps, though. Certainly in more "normal" circumstances when it means you can pay people to deliver your leaflets and stuff.....
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Post by baloo on Jun 8, 2014 9:12:42 GMT
Money helps, though. Certainly in more "normal" circumstances when it means you can pay people to deliver your leaflets and stuff..... That's true and I'm sure it must be nice when you have trade union call centres doing telephone canvassing for you and I'm sure UKIP weren't going on about spending being a problem when they had that massive poster campaign. Besides all that the specific point was about the Newark by election and the idea that we in any bought it is completely wrong. Just not supported by facts. Same with the independence referendum, the pro indy campaign can't talk with their millionaire backers and fund raising in the USA. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 10:45:59 GMT
The real reason our campaign in Newark was so effective was man power, not money. Hundreds of people gave up their time to work for the party and our common beliefs free of charge. Talk about money all you like but you can't change that fact. Lighten up, as I have already stated on this thread the absence of a UKIP party machine is a major drawback. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jun 8, 2014 11:56:57 GMT
The real reason our campaign in Newark was so effective was man power, not money. Hundreds of people gave up their time to work for the party and our common beliefs free of charge. Talk about money all you like but you can't change that fact. Lighten up, as I have already stated on this thread the absence of a UKIP party machine is a major drawback. UKIP does have a party machine and quite a lot of enthusiastic foot soldiers. The problem lies with poor leadership and organisation. Flooding a constituency with activists is all well and good but if you don't use them effectively their presence is of limited value. The fact that after polling closed Farage was predicting a Tory win of 2,500 shows just how poor UKIP's data was. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 8, 2014 12:02:32 GMT
ISTR that Farage also predicted Rotherham 18 months ago would be quite a lot closer than it was. Maybe he's just predisposed to over-optimism?
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