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Post by andrea on Jun 22, 2021 20:25:08 GMT
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Post by relique on Jun 22, 2021 20:25:47 GMT
Where can I find a breakdown by department and commune? For the départementales:
For the régionales:
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Post by john07 on Jun 23, 2021 12:41:11 GMT
Any chance of a key to the various acronyms that appear in the results? Some are obvious others less so!
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Post by relique on Jun 23, 2021 12:59:42 GMT
Any chance of a key to the various acronyms that appear in the results? Some are obvious others less so! The main problem is that experimented psephologists often disagree with the government's choices of label. EXG is extrême gauche, far left (usually trotskysts, sometimes they give insoumis this label) DVG is divers gauche, left wing independents or members of political parties who do not have an official label. UG is union à gauche, which is the union of two left wing political parties, one of which has an official label UGE is union à gauche et avec des écologistes, same thing but with an ecologist party as well ECO is ecologist, ecologist ticket not affiliated to a party with label UCG is union au centre et à gauche, with a left wing and a centrist party. UC is union au centre , same with a centrist ticket with at least one members of a centrist party with a label UCD is union au centre et à droite, you get the gist, with right and center DVC is divers centre a centrist ticket without an affiliation to a labelised centrist party DVD divers droite, right wing independent or unaffiliated to a main right wing party UD union à droite DSV is droite souverainiste (right wing anti eu) EXD extrême droite far right And then there are the parties with a label LO Lutte Ouvrière, trotskysts PCF communist party LFI Insoumis PS parti socialiste PRG parti radical de gauche (center left) EELV greens MDM Modem centrist Bayrou LRM LaRem, macron UDI center right from former UDF executives who left Bayrou to join Sarkozy in 2007 LR Les Républicains RN Rassemblement National Le Pen If you see any other, feel free to tag me ! |
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Post by john07 on Jun 24, 2021 2:11:07 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I had managed to work out who was who for many of the parties.
The alignments can be very confusing. I recall during the early years of the Fifth Republic, the old parties from the Fourth Republic seemed to live on in Regional and Local elections even though De Gaulle had effectively redefined the national party structure.
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Post by relique on Jun 24, 2021 8:29:05 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I had managed to work out who was who for many of the parties. The alignments can be very confusing. I recall during the early years of the Fifth Republic, the old parties from the Fourth Republic seemed to live on in Regional and Local elections even though De Gaulle had effectively redefined the national party structure. Not regional elections as the regions were created in 1982 but cantonales (for the département ) and municipales yes. The main opposition to gaullisme at the time was in the Senate which is the chamber of the local councils. The presidency (which is number 1 in the constitutional order of succession of the president of the republic) was held during the first 10 years of the 5th Republic by a black man from Guyane, radical (=centrist) Gaston Monnerville was himself rather left leaning (at some point the parti radical split between the left wing and the right wing). |
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Post by November_Rain on Jun 24, 2021 12:00:14 GMT
Relique - thank you  Just a question, when I click on a candidate name in any of the areas that have an election on, it comes up with a list of names in each district. Is this equivalent to what we have here in the UK with signatories of those who support a candidate's nomination? |
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Post by relique on Jun 24, 2021 12:25:38 GMT
Relique - thank you Just a question, when I click on a candidate name in any of the areas that have an election on, it comes up with a list of names in each district. Is this equivalent to what we have here in the UK with signatories of those who support a candidate's nomination? Is it for the régionales ? If so, then it's the candidates.
Regional councils are made up of dozens of candidates, sometimes hundreds.
When the results are in, we determine how many elected councillors does each list have.
If there are two lists, one (1) at 60% and one (2) at 40% with two "sections" (two départements) with one section (A) with 100 seats and one section (B) with 50 seats
=> the list ahead at 60% gets a "bonus" of 25% of the potential seats => 25 in section A, 13 in section B (it's rounded up)
There are 75 seats left to allocate for section A and 37 in section B.
We then look at the results in each section.
If list (1) got 55% in section A and 75% in section B (and list (2) 45 and 25%) :
list (1) gets 55% of the remaining 75 seats, list (2) gets the rest. List (1) gets 75% of the remaining 37 seats, list (2) the rest.
Potentially, to be awarded an absolute majority of the seats, the list ahead needs to get at least 33% of the votes. In Bourgogne-France Comté last time, the majority got only a 1 seat majority.
If there are four-way races, there could be a possibility of no absolute majority for one list (it could be the case in Bretagne this time, maybe).
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Post by November_Rain on Jun 24, 2021 12:38:30 GMT
Relique - thank you Just a question, when I click on a candidate name in any of the areas that have an election on, it comes up with a list of names in each district. Is this equivalent to what we have here in the UK with signatories of those who support a candidate's nomination? Is it for the régionales ? If so, then it's the candidates.
Regional councils are made up of dozens of candidates, sometimes hundreds.
When the results are in, we determine how many elected councillors does each list have.
If there are two lists, one (1) at 60% and one (2) at 40% with two "sections" (two départements) with one section (A) with 100 seats and one section (B) with 50 seats
=> the list ahead at 60% gets a "bonus" of 25% of the potential seats => 25 in section A, 13 in section B (it's rounded up)
There are 75 seats left to allocate for section A and 37 in section B.
We then look at the results in each section.
If list (1) got 55% in section A and 75% in section B (and list (2) 45 and 25%) :
list (1) gets 55% of the remaining 75 seats, list (2) gets the rest. List (1) gets 75% of the remaining 37 seats, list (2) the rest.
Potentially, to be awarded an absolute majority of the seats, the list ahead needs to get at least 33% of the votes. In Bourgogne-France Comté last time, the majority got only a 1 seat majority.
If there are four-way races, there could be a possibility of no absolute majority for one list (it could be the case in Bretagne this time, maybe).
Yes it was for the regionales, and looking at some of the leaflets it had groups of candidates with the lead candidate on the front of (PS, LO and a few others). Thank you for the explanation how it works for the regional assemblies. It's quite fascinating how French politics works, especially on a local and national level. I like the touch with literature on an official candidate website - would work wonders here in the UK. |
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Post by relique on Jun 24, 2021 12:39:40 GMT
Is it for the régionales ? If so, then it's the candidates.
Regional councils are made up of dozens of candidates, sometimes hundreds.
When the results are in, we determine how many elected councillors does each list have.
If there are two lists, one (1) at 60% and one (2) at 40% with two "sections" (two départements) with one section (A) with 100 seats and one section (B) with 50 seats
=> the list ahead at 60% gets a "bonus" of 25% of the potential seats => 25 in section A, 13 in section B (it's rounded up)
There are 75 seats left to allocate for section A and 37 in section B.
We then look at the results in each section.
If list (1) got 55% in section A and 75% in section B (and list (2) 45 and 25%) :
list (1) gets 55% of the remaining 75 seats, list (2) gets the rest. List (1) gets 75% of the remaining 37 seats, list (2) the rest.
Potentially, to be awarded an absolute majority of the seats, the list ahead needs to get at least 33% of the votes. In Bourgogne-France Comté last time, the majority got only a 1 seat majority.
If there are four-way races, there could be a possibility of no absolute majority for one list (it could be the case in Bretagne this time, maybe).
Yes it was for the regionales, and looking at some of the leaflets it had groups of candidates with the lead candidate on the front of (PS, LO and a few others). Thank you for the explanation how it works for the regional assemblies. It's quite fascinating how French politics works, especially on a local and national level. I like the touch with literature on an official candidate website - would work wonders here in the UK.
Literature is also sent to each voter's postal adress... Except when the ministry is contracting out to the private sector and no one receives it...
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Post by November_Rain on Jun 24, 2021 12:41:50 GMT
Yes it was for the regionales, and looking at some of the leaflets it had groups of candidates with the lead candidate on the front of (PS, LO and a few others). Thank you for the explanation how it works for the regional assemblies. It's quite fascinating how French politics works, especially on a local and national level. I like the touch with literature on an official candidate website - would work wonders here in the UK.
Literature is also sent to each voter's postal adress... Except when the ministry is contracting out to the private sector and no one receives it...
A bit like the UK on both counts  Do you have door to door canvassing in France with a candidate or their activists knock someone's door and mark them as a vote for said party like here in the UK, or are things done differently? |
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Post by relique on Jun 24, 2021 12:46:09 GMT
We just go door to door to try and convince people to vote for our candidate and give them literature. I don't think anyone counts really who votes for whom. But we can of course propose them to join the campaign, go to a rally or whatever. If they say they cannot be present the day of the vote, we propose them to do a "procuration" at the police station to give their vote to someone we know that will vote for them.
I wonder if it is not illegal to create a list of who votes for whom.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 25, 2021 23:30:25 GMT
Le Figaro are reporting that the Macronistes are very unhappy with the result. To the extent that Manu fears that a credible LR candidate could keep him out of the second round.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 26, 2021 1:24:11 GMT
Le Figaro are reporting that the Macronistes are very unhappy with the result. To the extent that Manu fears that a credible LR candidate could keep him out of the second round. Yes, that was also exactly my first thought, when the ExitPolls came in. |
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Post by seanryanj on Jun 26, 2021 4:34:53 GMT
Le Figaro are reporting that the Macronistes are very unhappy with the result. To the extent that Manu fears that a credible LR candidate could keep him out of the second round. Yes, that was also exactly my first thought, when the ExitPolls came in. I would say he is hoping that a few candidates will run and split the vote |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 26, 2021 8:25:59 GMT
Le Figaro are reporting that the Macronistes are very unhappy with the result. To the extent that Manu fears that a credible LR candidate could keep him out of the second round. That bit has always been the stumbling part for the French right. Either too few credible Presidential candidates or too many. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 26, 2021 10:33:00 GMT
Yes, that was also exactly my first thought, when the ExitPolls came in. I would say he is hoping that a few candidates will run and split the vote But first of all, that most LePen-voters will be too intransingent for switching to a LR-candidate. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 26, 2021 17:08:41 GMT
Algeria's best-selling singer, Enrico Macias, is banned from Algeria on racial grounds.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 27, 2021 18:22:26 GMT
Laurent Wauquiez and Xavier Bertrand both easily reelected in their respective regions, likewise Muselier in PACA. Pécresse to come later presumably.
Let battle commence!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 27, 2021 19:10:05 GMT
Pécresse wins easily. And ominously, the Macronistes only got 10.5 per cent.
It appears that Manuel Valls called on voters to plump for Pécresse. Asked his opinion of one of the left/ecolo list, the semi-celebrity Audrey Pulvar, he replied "mauvaise".
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Do you have door to door canvassing in France with a candidate or their activists knock someone's door and mark them as a vote for said party like here in the UK, or are things done differently? 
