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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 17:29:34 GMT
Why shouldn't I ask why? Is it a secret or something?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 19:32:48 GMT
I wonder how many of those people (a) are still alive, (b) still live in Ynys Mon, and (c) still voted Lib Dem. Why? Because that's exactly the sort of thing that this forum is about. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 22:32:22 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Aug 6, 2013 1:34:41 GMT
Because he's curious. It is curiosity which stimulates enquiry, exploration, adventure, discovery, enlightenment, knowledge, scientific and cultural advances, material and psychological benefits, and chocolate biscuits. If we weren't curious, we would still be shrews living in a cave. Oh hang on, have I slipped into a timewarp or is there just an echo? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 6, 2013 21:27:36 GMT
Because I'm curious. It is curiosity which stimulates enquiry, exploration, adventure, discovery, enlightenment, knowledge, scientific and cultural advances, material and psychological benefits, and chocolate biscuits. If we weren't curious, we would still be shrews living in a cave. How many shrews live in caves? |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 7, 2013 4:39:20 GMT
How many shrews live in caves? 8,537. I know this, because a few years ago I went all over the world to all the caves and did a shrew-census, and counted them, on the off-chance that someone would ask me the question one day. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 7:16:37 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 7, 2013 18:00:15 GMT
How many shrews live in caves? 8,537. I know this, because a few years ago I went all over the world to all the caves and did a shrew-census, and counted them, on the off-chance that someone would ask me the question one day. I don't believe you. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 7, 2013 18:02:39 GMT
I would guess that no-one voted LD in 1951 because they didn't exist. In any event a fair proportion of the over 83s on the Island will be incoming retirees from England. The incidence of incomer from England on the Island may go some way to explain the size of the UKIP vote. I wondered who would pick me up first on the LD slip-up - my money was on Mr Loony.  There is certainly a population of English retirees on the island, but IME it isn't as large as most people might imagine. The areas of the island I know well are the south-east (the Beaumaris end) and even here I have come across relatively few. According to the 2001 Census 32.4% of the population of Ynys Mon were born outside Wales. I rather suspect that will have increased since then. |
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Post by libfozzy on Aug 8, 2013 9:37:52 GMT
I wondered who would pick me up first on the LD slip-up - my money was on Mr Loony. There is certainly a population of English retirees on the island, but IME it isn't as large as most people might imagine. The areas of the island I know well are the south-east (the Beaumaris end) and even here I have come across relatively few. According to the 2001 Census 32.4% of the population of Ynys Mon were born outside Wales. I rather suspect that will have increased since then. That seems pretty high to me. Maybe it's just where I was telephone canvassing in Ynys Mon during the Local Elections, but I was getting oodles of very Welsh locals on the phone and almost no English people..... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 8, 2013 9:42:22 GMT
David Lloyd George was born in Manchester. Being born outside Wales doesn't mean not being Welsh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 15:59:59 GMT
Indeed, there were Welsh speaking areas of Liverpool for many years and there are still people alive who grew up speaking Welsh on those very streets.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 8, 2013 16:05:08 GMT
Which areas?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 17:26:48 GMT
There were communities around Anfield, Toxteth Park and Central Vauxhall. The founder of Plaid Genedlaethol Cymru, Saunders Lewis, was born and raised just across the Mersey in Wallasey and was raised as a Welsh-speaker. There is a brilliant dissertation written by Olwen Morris-Jones that I recommend if you are interested: www.liverpool-welsh.co.uk/DISSERTATION.pdf |
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Post by cibwr on Aug 8, 2013 21:54:12 GMT
There were communities around Anfield, Toxteth Park and Central Vauxhall. The founder of Plaid Genedlaethol Cymru, Saunders Lewis, was born and raised just across the Mersey in Wallasey and was raised as a Welsh-speaker. There is a brilliant dissertation written by Olwen Morris-Jones that I recommend if you are interested: www.liverpool-welsh.co.uk/DISSERTATION.pdfSame in Birmingham... indeed the oldest branch of Plaid still going is in Birmingham |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 21:56:41 GMT
I remember meeting an old couple in Oswestry back in the 80s whose first language was Welsh but were lifelong in Oswestry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 21:58:28 GMT
There were communities around Anfield, Toxteth Park and Central Vauxhall. The founder of Plaid Genedlaethol Cymru, Saunders Lewis, was born and raised just across the Mersey in Wallasey and was raised as a Welsh-speaker. There is a brilliant dissertation written by Olwen Morris-Jones that I recommend if you are interested: www.liverpool-welsh.co.uk/DISSERTATION.pdfSame in Birmingham... indeed the oldest branch of Plaid still going is in Birmingham I studied in Birmingham from 1985 to 1991 and there was a Welsh Chapel just outside the city centre which had been there since the 19th century. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 8, 2013 22:57:04 GMT
I remember meeting an old couple in Oswestry back in the 80s whose first language was Welsh but were lifelong in Oswestry. St Martins and Weston Rhyn were majority Welsh speaking until the start of the 20th century. |
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Post by john07 on Aug 9, 2013 0:49:10 GMT
David Lloyd George was born in Manchester. Being born outside Wales doesn't mean not being Welsh. The non-Welsh born in Anglesey are certainly non-Welsh. Many come from Manchester or Liverpool. A lot came originally to work on the construction of the Wilfa Nuclear Power Station and stayed on. A lot of publicans came from Manchester attracted by the Sunday closing in the 1970s. Places like Cemaes Bay and parts of Amlwch are stuffed full of retirees. From my recollection around two thirds of the population are Welsh (and Welsh speakers) while the remainder were English speaking incomers. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 9, 2013 20:26:59 GMT
David Lloyd George was born in Manchester. Being born outside Wales doesn't mean not being Welsh. Indeed, but I doubt that many of those 32.4% are returning offspring of Welsh exiles - most will be immigrants. |
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