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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 11:25:59 GMT
I can easily imagine ending up with something like that if we had French-style regions.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 27, 2013 12:27:01 GMT
Not in a modern context - Cornish and Breton are very very different from the south Wales dialects, All Welsh dialects are closer to each other than other Celtic languages - which is not what you seemed to be suggesting. Historically of course the formed a continuum - but Cornish became quite distinct from at least the 9th century, while certainly continuing to be closer to Breton than Welsh. The old north was certainly the origin of the oldest Welsh poetry and would be mutually intelligible throughout Wales. I only seem to be suggesting that because you didn't read what I said properly. I was quite clear I was talking about the medieval situation. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 27, 2013 12:43:56 GMT
Not in a modern context - Cornish and Breton are very very different from the south Wales dialects, All Welsh dialects are closer to each other than other Celtic languages - which is not what you seemed to be suggesting. Historically of course the formed a continuum - but Cornish became quite distinct from at least the 9th century, while certainly continuing to be closer to Breton than Welsh. The old north was certainly the origin of the oldest Welsh poetry and would be mutually intelligible throughout Wales. I only seem to be suggesting that because you didn't read what I said properly. I was quite clear I was talking about the medieval situation. Especially since the last Cumbric speakers died out in the C13 or thereabouts....... |
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Post by cibwr on Aug 29, 2013 8:11:36 GMT
I can easily imagine ending up with something like that if we had French-style regions. Though there is some suggesting that Brittany could once again be reunited... |
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Post by cibwr on Aug 29, 2013 8:13:26 GMT
Not in a modern context - Cornish and Breton are very very different from the south Wales dialects, All Welsh dialects are closer to each other than other Celtic languages - which is not what you seemed to be suggesting. Historically of course the formed a continuum - but Cornish became quite distinct from at least the 9th century, while certainly continuing to be closer to Breton than Welsh. The old north was certainly the origin of the oldest Welsh poetry and would be mutually intelligible throughout Wales. I only seem to be suggesting that because you didn't read what I said properly. I was quite clear I was talking about the medieval situation. I still don't think that the theory holds water, I have never heard any one else suggest that South Wales Welsh was closer to Breton in the medieval period than North Wales Welsh. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 29, 2013 8:31:04 GMT
I only seem to be suggesting that because you didn't read what I said properly. I was quite clear I was talking about the medieval situation. I still don't think that the theory holds water, I have never heard any one else suggest that South Wales Welsh was closer to Breton in the medieval period than North Wales Welsh. And? It's a very minor point of Celtic linguistics that is impossible to prove absolutely with the evidence at hand. Unless you happen to frequently mix with people who do a lot of work on minor points of Celtic linguistics, you're not going to hear anybody suggest it. "I haven't heard that before" is not a counter-argument (although I've no doubt there are valid counter-arguments to be made). |
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Post by cibwr on Aug 29, 2013 10:55:05 GMT
I will grant you that I don't however I do have a passing interest and its never something I have seen suggested. However we are way off topic, continue this else where if you would like.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 30, 2013 21:36:34 GMT
The third is no problem to me; the second is the Lord's Prayer in Breton?; the first is Cornish? |
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 31, 2013 12:31:31 GMT
The first is Cornish, in one of the many standard orthographies
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 1, 2013 19:14:45 GMT
The first is Cornish, in one of the many standard orthographies I should have recognised that - "an bys" = the world? Anyone offer a full translation? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 21:15:16 GMT
The first is Cornish, in one of the many standard orthographies I should have recognised that - "an bys" = the world? Anyone offer a full translation? From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, via Wikipedia. |
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