Ynys Mon

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Jun 18, 2013 13:56:45 GMT marksenior said:

Jun 18, 2013 9:00:26 GMT AdminSTB said:

Welsh Assembly Election 2011: Ynys Môn
Party Candidate Votes % ±%
Plaid Cymru Ieuan Wyn Jones 9,969 41.4 +1.7
Conservative Paul Williams 7,032 29.2 +16.2
Labour Joe Lock 6,307 26.2 +8.8
Liberal Democrats Rhys Taylor 759 3.2 −0.2


Nah, the Lib Dems could easily lose another 759 votes. Well, 758 if they manage to find a local candidate.

Approx figures from the local elections this year

Plaid 9,000
Labour 6,300
Conservative 2,700 ( 1 ward not fought )
Lib Dem 2,350 ( only 3 wards fought )
UKIP 4,500

Indicates Plaid firm favourites , Labour challenging , the Conservatives greatly down below UKIP and Lib Dems up and challenging Conservatives for 4th place .

You are making the mistake of trying to apply rationale and logic to the political workings of Anglesey.

[AdminSTB]

God help us if the local independents catch wind of this thread.

[Tony Otim]

I'm surprised we haven't heard from Cefin on UKIP's chances here yet...

[Crimson King]

Jun 18, 2013 21:36:38 GMT @boogieeck said:

Jun 18, 2013 15:02:53 GMT AdminSTB said:

God help us if the local independents catch wind of this thread.

Kris, you get paid by the yard, not by the quality. Drop them an e-mail

and as an added bonus make life so much more fun for the rest of us

[johng]

IWJ and Plaid have requested an early by-election, on August 1st. The say that it's in order that an AM is in place in time for the next assembly term. The final decision will be taken by the presiding officer of the assembly.

[cefin]

Jun 18, 2013 16:05:46 GMT Tony Otim said:

I'm surprised we haven't heard from Cefin on UKIP's chances here yet...

Just an early prediction from me.


A lot better than the looney tune greens just did in Aberdeen.




Cheers

[AdminSTB]

Is there a reason why Kippers are fixating so much on the fact they beat the Greens in Donside? Aside from the fact that pitiful Green by-election results are almost a running joke, the fact is they fielded a paper candidate on a shoestring budget, whereas UKIP threw the sink at the contest. Will be interesting to see the expenses when they come out, I imagine UKIP will have spent far more per vote than the Greens did, or any other party for that matter (except perhaps the SDA).

[Penddu]

Heledd Fechan has announced she will be seeking Plaid nomination. Heledd is young, female, and media friendly. She previously stood in Montgomery and had been looking to stand in Arfon. She has now pulled out of Arfon race and would be a very strong candidate for Plaid.

[Tony Otim]

Jun 21, 2013 22:27:55 GMT AdminSTB said:

Is there a reason why Kippers are fixating so much on the fact they beat the Greens in Donside? Aside from the fact that pitiful Green by-election results are almost a running joke, the fact is they fielded a paper candidate on a shoestring budget, whereas UKIP threw the sink at the contest. Will be interesting to see the expenses when they come out, I imagine UKIP will have spent far more per vote than the Greens did, or any other party for that matter (except perhaps the SDA).

They were expecting to beat the LDs and had pre-prepared all their post-election spin along those lines, so when they failed to they had to adapt it to another party who they actually did beat

[AdminSTB]

Hi Penddu, I presume you're a Plaid supporter? Let me know and I can change your forum affiliation and give you access to the SNP/Plaid board.

[cefin]

Jun 22, 2013 1:08:14 GMT Penddu said:

Heledd Fechan has announced she will be seeking Plaid nomination. Heledd is young, female, and media friendly. She previously stood in Montgomery and had been looking to stand in Arfon. She has now pulled out of Arfon race and would be a very strong candidate for Plaid.

Heledd Fychan is another plaid gift that keeps on giving.

I'm not as convinced as yourself as to her media friendliness, in fact during the referendum campaign the last time Plaid allowed her to appear on TV she produced one of the funniest and most bizarre performances I've ever seen, I was in stiches as she shouted and ranted throughout the whole performance and chucked in a series of what can only be described as a succession of manic gurning facial expressions throughout, just to cap off what can only be described as an extrordinary performance.


I haven't seen her appear on the TV since and had assumed that plaid had vowed never to let her appear in front of the camera's again.


Hopefully they've had second thoughts and I'll be looking forward to her reappearance.

[cefin]

Jun 21, 2013 22:27:55 GMT AdminSTB said:

Is there a reason why Kippers are fixating so much on the fact they beat the Greens in Donside? Aside from the fact that pitiful Green by-election results are almost a running joke, the fact is they fielded a paper candidate on a shoestring budget, whereas UKIP threw the sink at the contest. Will be interesting to see the expenses when they come out, I imagine UKIP will have spent far more per vote than the Greens did, or any other party for that matter (except perhaps the SDA).

I'm not fixated with the greens, in fact I very rarely ever give them a second thought.

I was just replying to tonyotims enquiry.

[Penddu]

As cefin rightly says it is Heledd Fychan not Fechan ..I was fighting my spell checker at the time.

I also understand that there is another potential Plaid candidate - Rhun ap Iorwerth - a BBC Wales presenter.

[cefin]

Jun 23, 2013 0:04:30 GMT Penddu said:

As cefin rightly says it is Heledd Fychan not Fechan ..I was fighting my spell checker at the time.

I also understand that there is another potential Plaid candidate - Rhun ap Iorwerth - a BBC Wales presenter.

Shock...horror

Member of BBC Wales political unit mentioned as possible plaid candidate.



The problem with this would be if Rhun "I won't ask any difficult or searching questions when I interview Cardiff Bay politicians"  does run, BBC Wales would have to find yet another Welsh speaking plaid supporting presenter in order to top up the political unit.


And one wonders why Wales continues to plummet to the bottom of every socio and economic indicator there is out there without those down the Bay of pigs being held to account.

Mind you nice to see Vincent Kane brought out of retirement the other night to see him give Carwyn and co the savaging that Rhun and Betsan never will.
  

[cibwr]

Interesting that Kane was equally savage about the Wales Development Agency during the tenure of Redwood etc.... He actually praised a policy of the last Labour/Plaid government - proact and react.....

As to the alleged political bias of BBC Wales perhaps you missed Rod Richard's stint there?

[libfozzy]

I wouldn't be amazed if Mabon ap Gwynfor threw his name in the ring. Ever since losing out to Penri in the race for Ceredigion's Plaid candidacy in 2010 he's moved towards North Wales and he's definitely still got Parliamentary ambitions, I guess the only real question is, are they Westminster or Assembly ambitions..........

[johng]

Rhun ap Iorwerth has indeed announced his intention to run for Plaid candidacy in Ynys Mon.

Interestingly he's already received an endorsement in Twitter from former Big Brother contestant Glyn Wise.

So we know of two hats thrown in the ring with Rhun and Heledd Fychan. Does anyone know when Plaid will select (or indeed Labour or the Tories)?
If they get their way with an August 1st by election, the campaign will be very short indeed!

[Deleted]

Can we have more Westminster MPs with "ap" names please

[cefin]

Jun 23, 2013 7:51:14 GMT cibwr said:

Interesting that Kane was equally savage about the Wales Development Agency during the tenure of Redwood etc.... He actually praised a policy of the last Labour/Plaid government - proact and react.....

As to the alleged political bias of BBC Wales perhaps you missed Rod Richard's stint there?

Well I certainly haven't missed the Talfan Davies dynasty still ruling the roost as the head of BBC Wales, what an incredibly talented family that must be with such a succesion of the same family ascending  one after the other to the top spot at BBC Wales

Now lets talk about the proact / react scheme that you mention, it's odd isn't it how some things come back to bite you on the backside especially when you paint them as one of the very rare successes that the buffoons down the Bay of Pigs have come up trumps with, when in fact perhaps the reality isn't perhaps quite so clear cut..



The very first product of the React scheme joined the company that I worked for (A gas engineering firm from Cwmbran as it happens) as an engineer I was the chaps supervisor (A very nice guy the chap was I must say)

The proud Welsh assembly contacted my firm after a week or so to request if the chap could pose for promotional photo's as they were so delighted with the scheme and proud of their initiative.

Photo's taken and plastered all over billboards the backs of buses on leaflets etc etc .


And heres the coincidence and irony of your highlighting of the scheme.


I had to spend the next couple of months looking at billboards and the backs of buses all over South Wales of photo's of the guy promoting the supposed success of at last one Assembly inspired scheme.............

Unfortunately the truth of the matter was that by the time the adverts appeared.... the product of the scheme, prompted by myself had been sacked weeks previously because he was so poorly trained that in my opinion he was a danger to himself and the public whose houses he was working in.


Not surprisingly we didn't see any adverts pointing out that the react programme perhaps wasn't as all that it might have been.


I do sympathise with the the unfortunate sheer coincidence and bad luck that you have responded to possibly the only guy in South Wales who could have recounted truthfully from first hand experience that little tale of woe on a project that you clearly hold very dear to your heart as a measure of competence of Carwyn's Mob.

Unfortunately it's another fail on this occasion.



Oh by the way, I also know the chap who now holds the title of the WDA  at Companies house as Edwina and co were so incompetent that they let the company registration lapse and he nipped in to register it, and the WA solicitors have spent the last year or so sending him threatening letters demanding that he give it back.

It really makes one hairs stand up when listening to the tales of sheer and utter incompetence since the WDA was taken inhouse whatever the percieved failing of the original WDA might or might not have been.

So another subject that I'd advise that you keep well clear of if you don't wish to be taken to the cleaners in debate about the subject. I feel sure also  that Vincent might well change his view of if he is made aware of some of the pertinent facts that I've listened too.

[cibwr]

So one bad instance proves that react/proact was rubbish? As the scheme enabled employers to access training and didn't actually provide training its self I suspect the fault lies with the company. Strange how just about every one else thinks it was a success - or are they all part of the secret Plaid conspiracy - including the First Minister of Wales?