YL
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Post by YL on Nov 1, 2024 7:48:10 GMT
Voters in Westmorland must’ve reached the stage where they fear reprisals for not supporting Tim Farron’s local team What is a little interesting is that this now seems to apply both to his original stronghold in south Westmorland (former South Lakeland, or for fans of historic boundaries the Barony of Kendal) and to the added areas in north Westmorland (former Eden/Barony of Westmorland, like this ward). There are definite differences in feel between the two areas. |
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Post by YL on Nov 1, 2024 7:56:16 GMT
Farron’s constituency now has only Lib Dem councillors. This was previously true between the creation of Westmorland & Furness council and the parliamentary boundary change. I think it is also now true that the historic county of Westmorland has only Lib Dem councillors. Has a party (not Independents) ever had a monopoly on council representation in a historic county before? |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 1, 2024 8:11:08 GMT
6 results, 6 different parties winning last night.
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Post by andrewp on Nov 1, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
Percentages and changes from the results last night.
Charnwood. Changes from 2023
Green 52.9% (-0.8)
REFUK 20.9% ( new)
Con 18.4% (-7.8)
Lab 4.9% (-11.7)
LD 2.8% (-0.7)
Rochdale. Changes from 2024
MIP 51.7% (+8.3)
Lab 36.3% (-12)
Con 6.9% (+0.3)
LD 5.1% (+3.4)
Salford. Changes from 2024
Lab 51.2% (-11.9)
Con 23 % (+6.2)
Green 14.1% (-0.1)
LD 7.7% (new)
TUSC 4.1% (-1.8)
Stockport. Changes from 2024
Con 47.9% (+4.4)
LD 43.5% (-1.4)
REfUK 3.3% (new)
Lab 2.9% (-4.2)
Green 2.4% (-2.3)
Westmorland and Furness. Changes from 2022
LD 82.7% (+48.8)
Con 17.3% (-24.6)
No Ind from before
Wolverhampton. Changes from 2024
REFUK 34.8% ( new)
Lab 25.1% (-46.2)
Green 23.4% (new)
Con 13.7% (-15)
LD 2.9% ( new)
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Post by markgoodair on Nov 1, 2024 8:23:41 GMT
Salford, Eccles Lab 951 Con 426 Green 261 LD 142 TUSC 76 Lab 51.2% -11.9% Con 23.0% +6.2% Green 14.1% -0.2% LD. 7.7%. +7.7% TUSC. 4.1% -1.8% |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 1, 2024 8:42:05 GMT
Salford, Eccles Lab 951 Con 426 Green 261 LD 142 TUSC 76 Salford is like Liverpool. Both cities have a left-wing reputation, the far-left are always lurking, and every so often make a lot of noise, but always go absolutely nowhere when faced with an actual live electorate. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2024 9:03:43 GMT
Farron’s constituency now has only Lib Dem councillors. This was previously true between the creation of Westmorland & Furness council and the parliamentary boundary change. I think it is also now true that the historic county of Westmorland has only Lib Dem councillors. Has a party (not Independents) ever had a monopoly on council representation in a historic county before? I could be wrong, but I think Kinross used to be a single member ward on Perth & Kinross council back in FPTP days so that may have counted (I recall it being Lib Dem held at some point) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2024 9:04:51 GMT
The elections centre coverage of Scottish councils is more limited than those for England & Wales. I miss that old Alba site..
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 1, 2024 9:06:08 GMT
The Eccles result is entirely expected (though certainly better for labour than elsewhere).
In local elections it generally has one of the better turnouts and labour are typically very good at getting out their vote and getting a large number of votes in the ward (usually numerically much larger than wards around it, even if the percentage is a bit smaller).
The demographics have also changed a bit over time and it's certainly become more middle class in parts but in away that is more beneficial to labour (has a large number of people working in the public sector).
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2024 9:11:58 GMT
This was previously true between the creation of Westmorland & Furness council and the parliamentary boundary change. I think it is also now true that the historic county of Westmorland has only Lib Dem councillors. Has a party (not Independents) ever had a monopoly on council representation in a historic county before? I could be wrong, but I think Kinross used to be a single member ward on Perth & Kinross council back in FPTP days so that may have counted (I recall it being Lib Dem held at some point) Found 1992 results and there was a West Kinross and an East Kinrosss, both SNP held. I think it went to single member following the reorganisation in 1995 (even though Perth & Kinross was one of the unmerged councils) |
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Post by batman on Nov 1, 2024 9:22:04 GMT
The Eccles result is entirely expected (though certainly better for labour than elsewhere). In local elections it generally has one of the better turnouts and labour are typically very good at getting out their vote and getting a large number of votes in the ward (usually numerically much larger than wards around it, even if the percentage is a bit smaller). The demographics have also changed a bit over time and it's certainly become more middle class in parts but in away that is more beneficial to labour (has a large number of people working in the public sector). during the years of the Blair government when Labour was most unpopular, the Tories were at least once able to win in Eccles ward, as well as in several other pretty unlikely-seeming wards in the city. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 1, 2024 9:26:54 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think Kinross used to be a single member ward on Perth & Kinross council back in FPTP days Before the adoption of STV, all the wards/electoral divisions in Scotland were single-member. That was certainly the case in the 1974-95 system and I think also under the complicated situation before the 1970s reforms. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2024 9:27:17 GMT
The Eccles result is entirely expected (though certainly better for labour than elsewhere). In local elections it generally has one of the better turnouts and labour are typically very good at getting out their vote and getting a large number of votes in the ward (usually numerically much larger than wards around it, even if the percentage is a bit smaller). The demographics have also changed a bit over time and it's certainly become more middle class in parts but in away that is more beneficial to labour (has a large number of people working in the public sector). during the years of the Blair government when Labour was most unpopular, the Tories were at least once able to win in Eccles ward, as well as in several other pretty unlikely-seeming wards in the city. Not only then actually. The Tories were always competitive in Eccles ward itself in the 70s and 80s - the parliamentary constituency of the same name was safely Labour due to other areas within the constituency |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2024 9:29:56 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think Kinross used to be a single member ward on Perth & Kinross council back in FPTP days Before the adoption of STV, all the wards/electoral divisions in Scotland were single-member. That was certainly the case in the 1974-95 system and I think also under the complicated situation before the 1970s reforms. Indeed but the point (which may be incorrect as I'm working from memory) is that it was an entire historic county contained in a single ward (and that it was single member meant that by definition, whenever that was won by a party as opposed to an Independent, it would have qualified for the distinction of a party having a monopoly of councillors) |
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Post by michaelarden on Nov 1, 2024 9:53:38 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think Kinross used to be a single member ward on Perth & Kinross council back in FPTP days Before the adoption of STV, all the wards/electoral divisions in Scotland were single-member. That was certainly the case in the 1974-95 system and I think also under the complicated situation before the 1970s reforms. Scotland had multi member wards with annual elections pre 70s reforms. |
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Post by michaelarden on Nov 1, 2024 9:54:53 GMT
Percentages and changes from the results last night. Charnwood. Changes from 2023 Green 52.9% (-0.8) REFUK 20.9% ( new) Con 18.4% (-7.8) Lab 4.9% (-11.7) LD 2.8% (-0.7) Rochdale. Changes from 2024 MIP 51.7% (+8.3) Lab 36.3% (-12) Con 6.9% (+0.3) LD 5.1% (+3.4) Salford. Changes from 2024 Lab 51.2% (-11.9) Con 23 % (+6.2) Green 14.1% (-0.1) LD 7.7% (new) TUSC 4.1% (-1.8) Stockport. Changes from 2024 Con 47.9% (+4.4) LD 43.5% (-1.4) REfUK 3.3% (new) Lab 2.9% (-4.2) Green 2.4% (-2.3) Westmorland and Furness. Changes from 2022 LD 82.7% (+48.8) Con 17.3% (-24.6) No Ind from before Wolverhampton. Changes from 2024 REFUK 34.8% ( new) Lab 25.1% (-46.2) Green 23.4% (new) Con 13.7% (-15) LD 2.9% ( new) Labour down in every contest they stood in. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 1, 2024 9:58:10 GMT
That is an excellent result for us and bodes well for similar territory of which there is quite a bit to go for. Don't read too much into all this. These are just inconsequential local government by-elections that two-thirds of the electorate do not even notice or take part in at best. And there are local factors and local characters affecting results. Some of you are poring over these as if they are birds entrails! [/div][/quote] Your point being caller? Those statements are in no manner incompatible with one another. They are stand alone truisms. I don't like Democracy but I use it because it is there. It is rather like the BBC. Minor usefulness but gross irritation. I made the same point myself again last night as to very low T/O and local effects and could be a one-off. But all said and done rather a nice little win for us to gloat over as well. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 1, 2024 10:03:27 GMT
Insane margins in Westmorland & Furness! The sewage issue has also done the Tories real damage there, especially in the areas bordering Lake Windermere.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 1, 2024 10:05:45 GMT
Kirkby Stphen is nowhere near Windermere.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 1, 2024 10:06:03 GMT
And almost came third to the Greens! Horrendous showing from Labour in Bilston North. Exact tie between Lab+Grn and Ref+Con, too That was probably as much Labour losses to Reform as it was to the Greens, rather than any assumption that the Greens lost it for Labour. |
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