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Post by swanarcadian on Nov 1, 2024 0:45:29 GMT
Percentages from Bilston North
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Post by john07 on Nov 1, 2024 0:46:55 GMT
That’s nice after the tonking we got in Farron’s back yard. I’d thought Reform was going to deny us this one. That is a good result for you and a very poor showing by Reform UK. Yes, I too had feared a hold was possible because of our intervention. I don't see any part of Bramhall or Woodford being exactly prime Reform territory! Besides the Tory majority was greater than the Reform vote, so next to no impact either way. |
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Post by cathyc on Nov 1, 2024 0:50:07 GMT
WOLVERHAMPTON Bilston North STANLEY Anita (Reform UK) 652 GUY Luke Matthew (Labour Party) 471 SINGH Hardev (The Green Party) 438 RANDLE Andrew (Local Conservatives) 257 DONALD Julian Martin (Liberal Democrats) 55 Turnout 19.18% Electorate 9,805 Number of ballot papers rejected 8 That is an excellent result for us and bodes well for similar territory of which there is quite a bit to go for. What happened to "The Democracy venerated by so many on this Forum is alive, well and fully appreciated by nearly a whole 5th of the electorate." |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 1, 2024 0:55:01 GMT
That is a good result for you and a very poor showing by Reform UK. Yes, I too had feared a hold was possible because of our intervention. I don't see any part of Bramhall or Woodford being exactly prime Reform territory! Besides the Tory majority was greater than the Reform vote, so next to no impact either way. That is indeed as it turned out. And no it is not prime demographic for us, but on such very low T/O and a large field of candidates I thought we might gain enough to pose problems for the Conservatives. Glad that we didn't. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 1, 2024 1:00:30 GMT
That is an excellent result for us and bodes well for similar territory of which there is quite a bit to go for. What happened to "The Democracy venerated by so many on this Forum is alive, well and fully appreciated by nearly a whole 5th of the electorate." Err? Wot? T/O was 19.18%! That is less than one 5th. It completely endorses my point. It is a very poor result for the attractions and appeal of Democracy but under those circumstances a very good result for us. Tonight has indeed had good news for all parties and bad news for most as well. A strange night. The fault line are more obvious and the new dynamics showing more strongly. |
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Post by listener on Nov 1, 2024 1:05:47 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2024 1:12:57 GMT
Possibly, though I'd say it's more the relative sizes of the Labour and Green votes that is the surprise than the Reform one as such. I note the name of the Green candidate and that turnout was low enough that this could be significant, but maybe the council just did something that annoyed people, which is always possible in the West Midlands.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 1, 2024 1:32:28 GMT
Possibly, though I'd say it's more the relative sizes of the Labour and Green votes that is the surprise than the Reform one as such. I note the name of the Green candidate and that turnout was low enough that this could be significant, but maybe the council just did something that annoyed people, which is always possible in the West Midlands. But a strongly majoritarian Labour seat has been lost on a 37% swing : And the two major parties have between them lost over 50% of the entire vote! That is a significant event. Yet on a very low poll and with possible local events as partial cause and the usual caveats about acceptability and popularity of given candidates and/or the council. Will it become a trend or is it an oddball one-off? Or did Labour just do and say some things that 'annoyed people'? |
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Post by notabrummie on Nov 1, 2024 1:35:36 GMT
Mmm! My mum lived in Palfrey, her view would have been that "Bilston is a foreign country, they do things differently there". |
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Post by sanders on Nov 1, 2024 3:14:15 GMT
And almost came third to the Greens! Horrendous showing from Labour in Bilston North. BME voters shifting to the Greens? That seemingly let Reform in here. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 1, 2024 4:06:17 GMT
And almost came third to the Greens! Horrendous showing from Labour in Bilston North. Exact tie between Lab+Grn and Ref+Con, too |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 1, 2024 4:12:12 GMT
WOLVERHAMPTON Bilston North STANLEY Anita (Reform UK) 652 GUY Luke Matthew (Labour Party) 471 SINGH Hardev (The Green Party) 438 RANDLE Andrew (Local Conservatives) 257 DONALD Julian Martin (Liberal Democrats) 55 Turnout 19.18% Electorate 9,805 Number of ballot papers rejected 8 That is an excellent result for us and bodes well for similar territory of which there is quite a bit to go for. Another respectable week for the Tories, but the Old Dean result is a cause for concern. Working close by (in Aldershot), Old Dean has a reputation for being white van man territory, heavily in favour of Brexit etc. Not somewhere you would associate the Lib Dems, that's for sure ... though their July win in Surrey Heath will have helped them to a certain degree. Don't read too much into all this. These are just inconsequential local government by-elections that two-thirds of the electorate do not even notice or take part in at best. And there are local factors and local characters affecting results. Some of you are poring over these as if they are birds entrails! [/div] |
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Post by peterski on Nov 1, 2024 4:22:33 GMT
I think we are learning that Reform are getting better at fighting elections and if local circumstances are in their favour they are seemingly better able to capitalise.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be a surprise that areas of the Black Country that polled heavily for the BNP and UKIP also show a propensity to vote ReformUK.
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Post by sanders on Nov 1, 2024 4:43:26 GMT
I think we are learning that Reform are getting better at fighting elections and if local circumstances are in their favour they are seemingly better able to capitalise. Nevertheless, it shouldn't be a surprise that areas of the Black Country that polled heavily for the BNP and UKIP also show a propensity to vote ReformUK. Yes, Wolverhampton was Enoch Powell territory. |
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Post by peterski on Nov 1, 2024 5:36:25 GMT
The persistence of Powellite thinking has been remarkable considering it must be 50 years since he was an MP for Wolverhampton. Also remarkable that these views persist so strongly when demographic change is making Global Majority citizens a rapidly increasing percentage of the local population.
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 1, 2024 6:31:21 GMT
Possibly, though I'd say it's more the relative sizes of the Labour and Green votes that is the surprise than the Reform one as such. I note the name of the Green candidate and that turnout was low enough that this could be significant, but maybe the council just did something that annoyed people, which is always possible in the West Midlands. Being the WOLVERHAMPTON council is enough to annoy some people in Bilston despite it being nearly 60 years. Tory candidate from Oxley, Lab candidate perhaps a bit too larval stage, Reform candidate being very local and Sikh voters decided to vote for their candidate will have all been part of this. It is noticeable from the comments who has had a hot pork cob on Bilston market and who has never been anywhere near the place. |
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 1, 2024 6:33:36 GMT
Mmm! My mum lived in Palfrey, her view would have been that "Bilston is a foreign country, they do things differently there". As would the view of Bilstonians about Palfrey, Walsall being very much a foreign place. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 1, 2024 6:36:55 GMT
Stockport, Bramhall South and Woodford Con 1909 LD 1733 RefUK 133 Lab 115 Green 95 There were stories that Peter Crossen was working the ward hard, but I didn't expect him to win. The council aren't particularly unpopular and the constituency was won handily by the Lib Dems. This is very possibly a victory for good old-fashioned hard work by a candidate. |
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Post by iainbhx on Nov 1, 2024 6:41:43 GMT
Stockport, Bramhall South and Woodford Con 1909 LD 1733 RefUK 133 Lab 115 Green 95 There were stories that Peter Crossen was working the ward hard, but I didn't expect him to win. The council aren't particularly unpopular and the constituency was won handily by the Lib Dems. This is very possibly a victory for good old-fashioned hard work by a candidate. I was expecting it, some of it will be people in new homes in Woodford complaining about new homes being built, some of it will be that its just well, it should really never been anything but Tory. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 1, 2024 6:59:09 GMT
There were stories that Peter Crossen was working the ward hard, but I didn't expect him to win. The council aren't particularly unpopular and the constituency was won handily by the Lib Dems. This is very possibly a victory for good old-fashioned hard work by a candidate. I was expecting it, some of it will be people in new homes in Woodford complaining about new homes being built, some of it will be that its just well, it should really never been anything but Tory. I suspect that the Woodford house complainers probably split across both parties, and it is Bramhall itself wot won it. I also note that the chairman of the constituency association is now Mark Cornes, a great bloke who is very good at organising. That is what has been missing from the area for some time. |
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